Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="608251" data-time="1471910131">
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<p>Yes this obsession with turnovers is pretty weird. I'll bet Read, Cane or Savea could pilfer more if that was all they were assigned to do.</p>
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<p>I was talking the other day with a guy who works with analysis for the Reds. He was lamenting this fixation with turnovers and how it is to the detriment of Aus rugby. He was saying Pocock might get 4 turnovers, but the opposition will get the same or more across the entire team. Obviously it's a great skill to have but should be part of a broader skill set, not be the one and only skill you have.</p>
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<p>It's not just creating the turnover, but the quality of the ball that results from it and how quickly they can capitalise on it. Turnover ball at rucktime is far more messy and difficult to capitalise on than that of knock-on or wayward kick - and those options come with little risk of penalty compared to a pilfer.</p>
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<p>So the questions is - up against Aussie why would you even bother turnovers at ruck time unless it is really on? If you have a solid defensive pattern and are physical in defense you could give them clean ball on half way and within 10 phases they will almost certainly cough it up anyway - either through poor handling or lack of imagination with the ball. The Coles and Kaino tries were the blueprint of this - metronomic defense and Aussie just had a brain fart.</p>
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<p>It's almost like the old contesting the line-out debates, except this one to me is a lot more clear cut. These days you don't want to be winning turnovers because of specialised jackals, you want to be winning them only when the opposition under commits to a ruck.</p> -
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<p>He's also not explosive - he has a high motor so he can get to a lot of breakdowns but he has no real acceleration/top end speed. </p>
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<p>Also weirdly not physical in the tackle either.</p>
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<p>Obviously the bloke would take my head off, but in the tackle you don't see him able to be as dominant as a guy like Read or McCaw was and there really is no physical reason for that - it's simply technique/mindset. He doesn't wrap the potential offload and very rarely gets a guy moving backwards.</p>
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<p>To temper things I think at Super level where you still have top tier guys playing, but teams have a few more holes and the patterns aren't as embedded I think he can be a lethal weapon.</p> -
What Hooper and Pocock do is create opportunities from turnover ball, but where OZ have struggled is that they seem disorganised after they've got the ball to make anything of it.<br><br>
Lack of 9/10 taking control in those situations. Players quickly fanning out. The wingers ready etc. <br><br>
So unless those things are addressed then any advantage that may arise from TO ball will be negligible. <br><br>
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<p>Also weirdly not physical in the tackle either.</p>
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<p>Obviously the bloke would take my head off, but in the tackle you don't see him able to be as dominant as a guy like Read or McCaw was and there really is no physical reason for that - it's simply technique/mindset. He doesn't wrap the potential offload and very rarely gets a guy moving backwards.</p>
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<p>To temper things I think at Super level where you still have top tier guys playing, but teams have a few more holes and the patterns aren't as embedded I think he can be a lethal weapon.</p>
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<p>I'm sure Pocock could do 1000 pull ups without breaking a sweat, but he has fuck all leg drive and no real pace so doesn't have the explosiveness. He's like the opposite of Ardie Savea.</p> -
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<p>Were their also individual models too for each player?</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Mick Gold Coast QLD" data-cid="608125" data-time="1471861428">
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<p>I think there is another 35 points and more margin coming up!</p>
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<p>Among other interesting odds NZ TAB has</p>
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<p>ABs at $1.07; Wallabies at $7.50.</p>
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<p>Wallabies to take the Bledisloe $31</p>
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<p>They're giving the Wallabies 19.5 points headstart at evens.</p>
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<p> Ta$man are at $3.75 to beat Canterbury in ChCh, which looks bloody unlikely to me - but apparently twice as likely as the Wallabies!</p>
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<p>Might be worth a small bet on the Wallabies and some prayers for yellow cards. :)</p> -
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<p>Yep, the guy is a farking unit and a half. He should be wrecking ball but I'm not sure I've seen him ever break a tackle. His ball skills are also incredibly limited for a guy who used to be a back and used to force his brothers into help him practice passing.</p>
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<p>Not really - when you've got a private school system as blinkered as ours, as long as he was a bit bigger and stronger than most of his opponents, he'd be a great back in GPS.</p> -
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Virgil" data-cid="608383" data-time="1471935703"><p>Richie, Dan, Conrad, Ma'a, Kevin, Tony..</p></blockquote>And a bunch of the replacements are out too, and our hooker had a bunch of painkilling injections and couldn't scrummage or tackle that hard...
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<p>Also weirdly not physical in the tackle either.</p>
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<p>Obviously the bloke would take my head off, but in the tackle you don't see him able to be as dominant as a guy like Read or McCaw was and there really is no physical reason for that - it's simply technique/mindset. He doesn't wrap the potential offload and very rarely gets a guy moving backwards.</p>
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<p>I think part of that is his pilfer technique. Richie & George Smith were outstanding at making the tackle, sort of letting go, leaping to their feet & grabbing the ball. Pocock almost seems to want to give guys a little shove & let their momentum take them down while he remains standing the whole time - so he can then get straight on the ball. It works well for the 3 or 4 turnovers he gets, but it means his other 10 or 15 tackles have zero bite & let the opposition get front foot ball. Or worse bury him in a ruck.</p>
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<p>Its not helped by the overall lack of bite in the backrow, a lot of our turnovers to Read or Rodney or McCaw over the years came as they stepped in after Kaino or Collins had smashed a player backwards delaying the support players. No one is doing that hit for the Wallabies right now.</p> -
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<div style="font-family:inherit;"><span style="font-family:inherit;">But then their defence was a disaster, dropping off 38 tackles and conceding six tries.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:inherit;"><span style="font-family:inherit;">So, almost as if the Wallabies coaches <em>thought</em> they had some new information about how the ABs might attack, but then that information turned out to be false...</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:inherit;"><span style="font-family:inherit;">Reminder: there was a six day gap between that bug in the AB rooms being discovered and being reported.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:inherit;"><span style="font-family:inherit;"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-union/wallabies-defence-woes-easy-fix-nathan-grey-20160821-gqxxqd.html'>http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-union/wallabies-defence-woes-easy-fix-nathan-grey-20160821-gqxxqd.html</a></span></div>
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The bugging saga continues, with Aussie police not ruling out the bug being planted by someone in the NZ camp...
