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    With the Mitre 10 Cup underway, referees have been directed by New Zealand Rugby to consider context when ruling on foul play.
    
    New Zealand Rugby Head of Referees Bryce Lawrence said that player safety remains paramount and deliberately dangerous acts would be dealt with accordingly.
    
    “There has been much debate internationally about the application of the laws regarding foul play,” said Lawrence.
    
    “At a time when rugby around the world is continually seeking to improve the game without compromising player safety, we support the laws to ensure clear messaging and consistency by match officials. 
    
    “Clearly in the June Test window some decision making has irked some fans and teams who feel that more rugby context should be considered in this decision-making”.
    
    “We are taking advantage of our own national provincial competitions to introduce an interpretation that maintains player safety as a priority, but allows the intent of the ‘action’ and the ‘context of the game’ to determine the sanctions for any foul play.
    
    “We want referees to bring some more rugby feel to how they rule foul play,” Lawrence said.
    

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    FOUL PLAY
    Lawrence said that areas referees will focus on are no change from previous years - including lifting tackles, deliberate contacts to the head (high tackles), deliberate knock ons, illegal dangerous clean outs, challenges in the air where there is not a fair contest, cynical play, and repeat individual or team offending.
    
    The interpretations for New Zealand referees in the Mitre 10 Cup, Farah Palmer Cup, Mitre 10 Heartland Championship and Jock Hobbs Under 19’s will allow them to consider foul play under the following guidelines:
    
    • If the action is deliberate and dangerous and with force = RED CARD.
    • If the action is reckless but still dangerous but with limited/mild force = YELLOW CARD.
    • If the action is unintentional and low level = Penalty only.
    
    “By asking referees to understand the game context, the players action and the intent, not solely on ‘process’ we hope we can achieve better results for players, coaches and fans in 2018,” he said.
    
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    TELEVISION MATCH OFFICIAL (TMO)
    As has been the practise for several years, TMOs in the domestic competitions will be sideline at Mitre 10 Cup and Farah Palmer Cup fixtures.
    
    The referee is the only person who can refer to TMO for try scoring or foul play. When the referee wants to check if a try is scored they will make an onfield decision that is either confirmed or overturned by the TMO. 
    
    For the TMO to over turn the on field decision they must have compelling evidence.
    
    Where the referee refers an incident of foul play to the TMO, the TMO will put the replays onto the big screen and the referee will own the decision. If there is no big screen the TMO will explain the facts to the refeee based on what he/she has seen and the referee will make the final decision.
    
    Four referees will debut in the 2018 Mitre 10 Cup; Tim Griffiths (Manawatu), Nick Hogan (Wellington), Tipene Cotrell (Hawke’s Bay), and Nick Webster (North Otago). In a continuation of a development exchange programme with Japan, Shuhei Kubo from Japan will join the domestic competition referees this year.
    
    New Zealand’s group of professional referees will manage 50 per cent of matches, with provincial unions assigning ARs and TMOs.
    

    http://www.mitre10cup.co.nz/News/32890/context-to-be-considered-in-foul-play-rulings

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    @stargazer thanks for posting that. I think we saw evidence at test level that the context is being taken into account better as well. Certainly with the Naholo tackle on Folau, Peyper quite clearly said that he judged intent and how Folau added to the movement rather than just looking and the act and ending.

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    @stargazer said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:

    If the action is deliberate and dangerous and with force = RED CARD.
    • If the action is reckless but still dangerous but with limited/mild force = YELLOW CARD.
    • If the action is unintentional and low level = Penalty only.

    This is why the system is fucked... even the guidelines assume there is a direct correlation between intent/result.
    What does the ref do when the action is deliberate and dangerous but is mistimed or misses (no force, limited/mild force)?
    When the action is unintentional but results in a dangerous result/significant force?
    Those are the cases which result in the confusion and recriminations and endless hand-wringing angst amongst the viewers.

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    @crucial are those directives up to TRC though, that is for M10 cup.

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    @taniwharugby said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:

    @crucial are those directives up to TRC though, that is for M10 cup.

    I don't know. I just thought maybe the discussions have altered the way the elite refs are working without being made official yet.
    Certainly I would have expected a YC from Peyper usually and was nicely surprised when he looked at the context.

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    @crucial Was alot of chat on RS yesterday saying it should have been a YC....which I dont agree with due to mitigating circumstances, but as in the other thread, I thought he was lucky as he tackled a player that went well past horizontal.

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    @crucial

    Steve Hansen and his Wallabies rival Michael Cheika will probably be pleased at a New Zealand referees' directive to consider "context" – read intent – when ruling on foul play at Mitre 10 cup level and below.

    They'll hope it proves a success and continues into Super Rugby and the international game after a June series riven by controversy for both nations.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12110305

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    Wahoo Northland rated higher than Canterbury!

    Mitre 10 Cup Power Rankings - Week One

    Mitre 10 Cup Power Rankings - Week One

    Throughout the campaign, we will rank each team on a weekly basis based on their performances to provide a power rankings structure for the entirety of the tournament.

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    @bovidae said in Manawatu v Waikato:

    Anyone know if the Manawatu player has been cited for the cheap shot on Tucker?

    Manawatu lock Liam Hallam-Eames has been suspended for four matches for striking an opposition player in his team’s Mitre 10 Cup match against Waikato on Saturday 18 August.
    
    Hallam-Eames was cited under law 9.12 for striking a player with his arm in the first minute of the match. Manawatu won 24-19.
    
    New Zealand Rugby Duty Judicial Officer Chris Morris said it was a deliberate strike to the head of the opposition player who as a result was required to leave the field and failed a Head Injury Assessment (HIA).
    
    Taking into account Hallam-Eames admission of guilt and clean record, Morris reduced the suspension from six to four matches.
    
    Hallam-Eames’s suspension includes all rugby and means he will miss Manawatu’s matches against Taranaki, Otago, Canterbury and Northland and be available to return to play in Week Six of the Mitre 10 Cup.
    
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    @stargazer
    I hope the TMO has been stood doen as well for incompetence. I saw what happened so I can't believe he missed it looking at the same footage. Hallam-Eames should have been red-carded when you consider his punishment.

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    @bovidae Unfortunately, at M10 Cup, the TMO can only act on referral from the referee, unlike Super Rugby where the TMO can initiate a referral.

    So unless the referee or AR's picked up the incident and referred it to the TMO (which they should have done) there was nothing the TMO could do.

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    Released All Blacks

    Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Counties Manukau vs Taranaki, August 29

    Ardie Savea, Wellington vs Southland, August 31

    Luke Whitelock, Canterbury vs Bay of Plenty, September 1

    Nehe Milner-Skudder and Liam Coltman, Manawatu vs Otago, September 1

    Shannon Frizell and Tim Perry, Ta$man vs North Harbour, September 1

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/106580736/luke-whitelock-and-ardie-savea-among-released-abs-for-mitre-10-cup

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    @tim No Brodie? Dammit.

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    Just Kidding!
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    So here's the official Mitre10 Cup standings this morning...apparently.

    Jesus how hard is it to employ someone who is not pissed to update the table?

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    @chris-b that table looks good to me...

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    @dice Aren't you an Auckland supporter?

    You've lost one according to them and it's a thumping loss because of the -25 points differential.

    Fucking IT people - it'll be them but they'll be blaming someone or something else! 🙂

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  • DiceD Offline
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    @chris-b We rested our top players in the game we lost. :smiling_face_with_open_mouth:

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    Crazy stat: Otago has missed 86 tackles in two games.

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    TJP has also been released to play for Wellington.

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    Home is where the heart is for Manawatu's Rob Thompson

    When it comes to provincial rugby, not many players choose to turn their back on a team as dominant as Canterbury.
    
    But midfielder Rob Thompson's done exactly that, returning home to play for Manawatu in this year's Mitre 10 Cup.
    
    Thompson revealed to Newshub his plans for life after rugby - and a tough personal loss - made the decision as straightforward as they come.
    
    Watch the video above for the full story.
    
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