Olympics Thread
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Don Frye" data-cid="604224" data-time="1470702522">
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<p>We should be better. Is there a comp comparable to the women's NPC anywhere else in the world? I'd be looking very hard at the coaching team.</p>
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<p>Blame NZR. They need to make the investment if we are to take sevens seriously. Previously NZ relied on natural talent.</p>
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<p>The full article is below but the key point is:</p>
<p>NZ women's sevens coach Sean Horan believes his team is the only regular team on the world circuit not operating under a centralised programme.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/82891688/New-Zealand-at-risk-of-losing-sevens-edge-Gordon-Tietjens'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/82891688/New-Zealand-at-risk-of-losing-sevens-edge-Gordon-Tietjens</a></p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bovidae" data-cid="604231" data-time="1470703146">
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<p>Blame NZR. They need to make the investment if we are to take sevens seriously. Previously NZ relied on natural talent.</p>
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<p>The full article is below but the key point is:</p>
<p>NZ women's sevens coach Sean Horan believes his team is the only regular team on the world circuit not operating under a centralised programme.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/82891688/New-Zealand-at-risk-of-losing-sevens-edge-Gordon-Tietjens'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/82891688/New-Zealand-at-risk-of-losing-sevens-edge-Gordon-Tietjens</a></p>
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<p>Another difference is the way in which our women's team was put together - competition over here probably isn't as widespread as NZ women's rugby, so our program recruited from everywhere: touch football, hockey, athletics etc.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Don Frye" data-cid="604224" data-time="1470702522">
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<p>Re: women's sevens.<br><br>
Not sure the logic behind the long restarts. Possession is vital.<br><br>
Goal kicking wasn't good enough.<br><br>
One mistake was so costly. Very harsh to blame the poor girl who made one bad split second decision. Watching her completely distraught at the end was pretty heartbreaking.<br><br><strong>We should be better. Is there a comp comparable to the women's NPC anywhere else in the world?</strong> I'd be looking very hard at the coaching team.</p>
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<p>Not sure what the women's NPC (XVs) has got to do with it? I know there's a NPC like competition in France: the Top 8 (equivalent to the men's Top 14); not sure about other countries. Several European national teams also play much more often (e.g. 6 Nations) than the Black Ferns.</p>
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<p>I agree about the goal-kicking; I couldn't help thinking that the technique looked poor.</p>
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<p>As it's not just the women's team that has lost ground, but also the men's team, the problems seem to be more about how it's organised (lack of centralised programme, see Bovidae's post) than coaching.</p> -
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<p>Another difference is the way in which our women's team was put together - competition over here probably isn't as widespread as NZ women's rugby, so <strong>our program recruited from everywhere: touch football, hockey, athletics etc</strong>.</p>
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<p>There were open training camps and I think it widened our pool dramatically.</p>
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<p>That happened here in NZ, too, via the Go4Gold programme. Most of the NZ women's sevens players have come out of that programme and previously played other sports, such as touch, netball, football etc.</p> -
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Am liking this by Jacko Gill<br><br>
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11690244'>http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11690244</a> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="604258" data-time="1470711086">
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<p>Am liking this by Jacko Gill<br><br><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11690244'>http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11690244</a></p>
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<p>Richie is over there (he presented the jerseys to the NZ men's 7s team) - perhaps he can have a yarn to Jacko about competing with a broken foot. </p> -
Very disappointing result given how well we defended and put pressure on early in the game. <br><br>
A few of our girls really stood up in the final I thought. <br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Don Frye" data-cid="604224" data-time="1470702522">
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<p>Re: women's sevens.<br><br>
Not sure the logic behind the long restarts. Possession is vital.<br><br>
Goal kicking wasn't good enough.<br><br>
One mistake was so costly. Very harsh to blame the poor girl who made one bad split second decision. Watching her completely distraught at the end was pretty heartbreaking.<br><br>
We should be better. Is there a comp comparable to the women's NPC anywhere else in the world? I'd be looking very hard at the coaching team.</p>
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<p>won't blame her for the mistake as the try they scored just before that should have been called a knock on so scenario would have been different - not saying we would have won but a non-try awarded then a player binned (that was off for farking ages as no break in play to come back on) totally change the match.</p>
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<p>don't really watch the 7's circuit - do they have tmo's in that? would have thought they would have had one for a gold medal match.</p>
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<p>noticed they weren't exactly replaying the front shot showing the dropped ball after the initial replay...</p> -
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<p>Italian diver chicks. Fuck. Yes.</p>
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<p>just further. Their synchronized team that got silver</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="604279" data-time="1470717492">
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<p>The top one yes, the bottom one I'll reserve judgement until she turns around and I can see her front on.</p>
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<p>I agree, she has an expression which would indicate she lost her tits in the pool.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="WillieTheWaiter" data-cid="604266" data-time="1470712640"><p>won't blame her for the mistake as the try they scored just before that should have been called a knock on so scenario would have been different - not saying we would have won but a non-try awarded then a player binned (that was off for farking ages as no break in play to come back on) totally change the match.<br><br>
don't really watch the 7's circuit - do they have tmo's in that? would have thought they would have had one for a gold medal match.<br><br>
noticed they weren't exactly replaying the front shot showing the dropped ball after the initial replay...</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="WillieTheWaiter" data-cid="604266" data-time="1470712640"><p>won't blame her for the mistake as the try they scored just before that should have been called a knock on so scenario would have been different - not saying we would have won but a non-try awarded then a player binned (that was off for farking ages as no break in play to come back on) totally change the match.<br> <br>don't really watch the 7's circuit - do they have tmo's in that? would have thought they would have had one for a gold medal match.<br> <br>noticed they weren't exactly replaying the front shot showing the dropped ball after the initial replay...</p></blockquote><br>Can't blame the ref for it either - she consulted with two assistants and they both said they were happy.<br><br>I agree that it would be a good law revision for 7s to have the person come back on the field as soon as the pently time is served. Experience probably suugests that play wouldn't continue for that long, particularly in a game where you really don't want to go give up possession.
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<p>Can't blame the ref for it either - she consulted with two assistants and they both said they were happy.<br><br>
I agree that it would be a good law revision for 7s to have the person come back on the field as soon as the pently time is served. Experience probably suugests that play wouldn't continue for that long, particularly in a game where you really don't want to go give up possession.</p>
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<p>The issue with allowing them back on is: where?</p>
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<p>A sport like AFL with an interchange bench has strict rules around where a player may enter or leave the field of play for interchange. They don't have an offside line, or a sin bin/card system. The game continues.</p>
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<p>League sides only do interchange when they have the ball, because they're unlikely to suffer a change of possession in the meantime. Again, this is interchange, not yellow card.</p>
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<p>With rugby, allowing a player back on the field without the consent of the referee - who is the sole judge of law in the game - has to have pretty tight restrictions placed around it.</p>
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<p>Firstly, the referee's often take a moment to address the player to reinforce the admonishment, though that is less so in 7s.</p>
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<p>Secondly, they can't come back from an offside position :think: maybe only from in-goal? Then an official has to monitor that as well.</p>
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<p>It sucks in this situation for the NZ team, but it has been this way since cards were introduced for these offences. And the effective doubling of the duration was down to game circumstances.</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Secondly, they can't come back from an offside position </span> :think:<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;"> maybe only from in-goal? Then an official has to monitor that as well.</span></p>
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<p>An official is usually with the player when they're sin binned (or should be since all other sports do) so they allow the binned player onto the field once they know the player is on-side which is a matter of seconds. Simple. <span style="font-size:8px;">Fuck, I should really run World Rugby....</span></p> -
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<p>No!</p>
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<p>If we could collect the silver or replay the tournament I'd go for the replay and not even think about it. </p>
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<p>Silver was best we could have realistically done. We would beat that Aussie team about once in every 6 or 7.</p>
