South Africa v Ireland Test#2

Derm McCrum

Squeaky bum time. 
4 point margin. Ten to go. 
Ireland need to score next.

Tordah

that was a huge drop there in Ireland's intensity since 15 minutes ago or so. Altitude?

bbarcs

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Tordah" data-cid="589563" data-time="1466266073">
who would you have in for whom?</blockquote>
Steven Kitshoff has been the best loosehead in South Africa for at least 2 years. Give him a chance. 
Damian de Allende has just given us the lead with a good try, but dear oh dear how many tackles has he missed? 
First Irish try was a direct result of Mvovo playing like he does and cowering away from a high ball. I can name a handful of better wingers but none that are considered "African" by the government. 
Siya Kolisi has been nothing short of a disaster. 
The difference between teams at test level is minuscule. When you're giving up 20% of your effectiveness by not picking the best player for each position, you're making it much much harder for yourself. Coaching is only a small part of it. 
Very relieved with the win. Very surprised, but very very very relieved. 
My heart breaks for Allister Coetzee. He's an incredible guy. But he will be given mission impossible over the next 4 years.

bbarcs

How good was Ruan Combrinck and Warren Whiteley when they came on? Saved our butts.

RaGe_X

Mvovo and Kolisi shown up by their replacements.
 
AC accepted the job knowing full well what the main requirement is.
 
Well done Ruan Combrink deserved MotM.
 
Wonder who is going to lose his place in the team since Combrink's spot cannot be denied.

Derm McCrum

Congrats South Africa. Deserved win. 
Ireland. Dumb. 
Interesting final match but I suspect not enough left in the locker after that. 
17th test this season takes its toll.

bbarcs

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Pixel_Ninja" data-cid="589571" data-time="1466268698">Mvovo and Kolisi shown up by their replacements.</blockquote>
 
Whiteley actually came on for Duane. Made him look amateur too. 
Combrinck needs to replace Mvovo who has never been good enough. 
Other players who need to be looked at: Etzebeth, Louw, Pietersen (he's just terrible) and Willie (who needs to be more accurate)

Billy Tell

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="bbarcs" data-cid="589560" data-time="1466265327">
Woke up so I checked the score. Just had a good laugh. An extra $300 in the pocket so no complaints from my side. If you don't wanna pick your best players cause you don't like their skin tone then that's what you deserve. RIP Springboks</blockquote>
 
Ouch.

Tordah

that Aussie ref was pretty good. Thought he was one of the best in Super Rugby, too

bbarcs

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Tordah" data-cid="589575" data-time="1466270068">that Aussie ref was pretty good. Thought he was one of the best in Super Rugby, too</blockquote>
 
I'm gonna disagree and say he missed a lot. The most blatant was Elton Jantjies launching an up and under and Franco Mostert was about 10m in front of him and already moving forward. He got to the receiver about the same time as Jantjies. Would've been a sure 3 points for Ireland at a crucial time. 
Send us Wayne Barnes any day. The kiwis have a moan about him for one off decisions (because of that grudge) but his consistency and accuracy... For me it makes him the best referee in world rugby.

bbarcs

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Billy Tell" data-cid="589574" data-time="1466269557">Ouch.</blockquote>
 
Haha I thought for sure it was over. In my defense I thought 12 - 3 scoreline was two Irish tries. They did very well to come back.

Disgusted of TW

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="bbarcs" data-cid="589570" data-time="1466268495">How good was Ruan Combrinck and Warren Whiteley when they came on? Saved our butts.</blockquote>
 
Yes, Combrinck definitely made a difference. Haven't seen any of the SA franchises games this year, is Combrinck just a run through walls in a straight line guy (effective today, for sure), or does he bring more than that? I was also impressed by the stocky little blonde girl at 9, very busy, very nippy.

G-Man

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Disgusted of TW" data-cid="589580" data-time="1466276714">Yes, Combrinck definitely made a difference. Haven't seen any of the SA franchises games this year, is Combrinck just a run through walls in a straight line guy (effective today, for sure), or does he bring more than that? I was also impressed by the stocky little blonde girl at 9, very busy, very nippy.</blockquote>
You didn't watch the Lions v Chiefs game, did you? 
But to answer your question, yes he does bring more to the table than the usual bash rugby. 
If AC doesn't start with Jaco Kriel next week, we are fucked. I suspect the Irish to throw the kitchen sink with the baby in it at us in PE. 
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profitius

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Tordah" data-cid="589568" data-time="1466268037">
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that was a huge drop there in Ireland's intensity since 15 minutes ago or so. Altitude?
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Must be altitude. They were defending like Spartans last week but turned to jelly this week. Once the Boks started breaking tackles their confidence grew and they knew Ireland were shattered. 
 
 
I don't think Ireland really done anything through the backline. The positive for Ireland was Tadhg Furlong taming the beast.

Billy Tell

The worst token black player is kolisi. He is just not an international class 7.

Disgusted of TW

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="AntonM" data-cid="589582" data-time="1466278017">You didn't watch the Lions v Chiefs game, did you? 
But to answer your question, yes he does bring more to the table than the usual bash rugby. 
If AC doesn't start with Jaco Kriel next week, we are fucked. I suspect the Irish to throw the kitchen sink with the baby in it at us in PE. 
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Cheers, I shall see if I can catch up with that game sometime.

Catogrande

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="bbarcs" data-cid="589576" data-time="1466271080">
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I'm gonna disagree and say he missed a lot. The most blatant was Elton Jantjies launching an up and under and Franco Mostert was about 10m in front of him and already moving forward. He got to the receiver about the same time as Jantjies. Would've been a sure 3 points for Ireland at a crucial time. Send us Wayne Barnes any day. The kiwis have a moan about him for one off decisions (because of that grudge) but his consistency and accuracy... For me it makes him the best referee in world rugby.
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I don't fr one moment think he's anywhere her as bad as some of our Kiwi brothers think, I reckon he has too many major brain farts to be a really good ref. I find it difficult to go last Owens as the ref I'd most want to be in charge.

bbarcs

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Billy Tell" data-cid="589584" data-time="1466278389">The worst token black player is kolisi. He is just not an international class 7.</blockquote>
 
Absolutely HATE pulling the token card because it makes people think you're only picking on certain players while there are numerous players who should've been ashamed of their performance, but when you look at it on a case-by-case basis, then Kolisi is the most obvious of the lot. Doesn't have the build or the type of game required of a blindside and was thrown in there hoping that he'd somehow be able to run the ball like Willem Alberts while still getting around the field quickly. 
They're going to have a tough time keeping the numbers up while accommodating Ruan Combrinck as well. <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Disgusted of TW" data-cid="589580" data-time="1466276714">Yes, Combrinck definitely made a difference. Haven't seen any of the SA franchises games this year, is Combrinck just a run through walls in a straight line guy (effective today, for sure), or does he bring more than that? I was also impressed by the stocky little blonde girl at 9, very busy, very nippy.</blockquote>
 
The bump offs were actually somewhat surprising. He's usually more of a beat you one on one and break down the sideline type player who makes very few mistakes. I think what that was was being pissed off watching what was happening from the sideline.

NZRUGBYQUIZZES

I thought when Heaslip went over that Ireland couldn't lose, but they clearly ran out of puff.
 
Maybe more of a chance next week at sea level, but I suspect the Irish blew the opportunity to win the series right then and there.
 
Good to see how well Tadgh Furlong went though. Clearly now you'd have to say he is Mike Ross' successor.

nostrildamus

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Catogrande" data-cid="589587" data-time="1466278740">
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I don't fr one moment think he's anywhere her as bad as some of our Kiwi brothers think, I reckon he has too many major brain farts to be a really good ref. I find it difficult to go last Owens as the ref I'd most want to be in charge.
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I don't think many of believe he is consistently bad (any more) but when he does stinkers he really does stinkers. As I wrote earlier it takes a real lack of class or knowledge to make Ayoub look good by comparison.

The Silver Fern

South Africa v Ireland Test#2