It's Hammerlander time
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<p>Remember if Mark Hammett had got his way, Ma'a Nonu would have been sent into Rugby exile in May 2011. A total muppet and a really bad coach.</p>
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<p>There was quite clearly much more to it than that. I don't think Hammer made that decison on his own.</p> -
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<p>There was quite clearly much more to it than that. I don't think Hammer made that decison on his own.</p>
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<p>did the people at the top change between then and when he came back?</p> -
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There was quite clearly much more to it than that. I don't think Hammer made that decison on his own.</p></blockquote>Maybe so, but Ma'a left the NZ as one of the best AB 13s ever with two RWC winner's medals in his collection. Hammett was unable to reach him -
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Remember if Mark Hammett had got his way, Ma'a Nonu would have been sent into Rugby exile in May 2011. A total muppet and a really bad coach.</p></blockquote>
The Blues are bad, but not quite exile....<br><br>
I know you love to overact to things sparky and the hyperbole is always in overdrive, but you might want to have a read of some of the comments Nonu made regarding what happened at the Canes. -
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<p>Maybe so, but Ma'a left the NZ as one of the best AB 13s ever with two RWC winner's medals in his collection. Hammett was unable to reach him</p>
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<p>At the top level, his talent and commitment was unquestioned. But at super level, at one point nobody wanted to offer him a contract. Only a last minute deal at the Blues kept him in NZ.</p>
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<p>The fact that nobody was running up to be the first to sign him isn't Hammet's fault. It shows something else.</p>
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<p>did the people at the top change between then and when he came back?</p>
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<p>No idea, honestly. But I do remember Hammett having the full support of the board when he made his decisons.</p> -
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The Blues are bad, but not quite exile....<br>
I know you love to overact to things sparky and the hyperbole is always in overdrive, but you might want to have a read of some of the comments Nonu made regarding what happened at the Canes.</p></blockquote>
There has never been a more loyal servant of the Hurricanes than Ma'a Nonu. Hammett's treatment of him was nothing short of appalling.<br><br>
Hammett has been an unsuccessful Head Coach everywhere he's been appointed. There are many better candidates the Crusaders should be thinking of ahead of the Hammer. -
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<p>No idea, honestly. But I do remember Hammett having the full support of the board when he made his decisons.</p>
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<p>wouldnt be ideal if they turn around and veto his first few decisions now would it! </p>
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<p>I am sure he gave them a compelling case, they backed it up...if he comes to them with what he wants to happen and they say nup, make it even worse form the outset.</p>
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<p>New canes CEO only came on this year I think.</p> -
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<p>wouldnt be ideal if they turn around and veto his first few decisions now would it! </p>
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<p>I am sure he gave them a compelling case, they backed it up...if he comes to them with what he wants to happen and they say nup, make it even worse form the outset.</p>
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<p>New canes CEO only came on this year I think.</p>
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<p>Correct, it wouldn't be. But it was a controversial decision right, and I think it would have need buy-in from a lot of people, including other senior players before it went through.</p>
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<p>Nonu himself has said this - "<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;">"I could probably now thank him [Hammett] in terms of what happened," Nonu said. "I could honestly say I was bitter in terms of when I left. These things happen and life throws you challenges in terms of what you want to get out of it. I've come through a better person and have new motivations to play rugby."</span></p> -
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<p>Correct, it wouldn't be. But it was a controversial decision right, and I think it would have need buy-in from a lot of people, including other senior players before it went through.</p>
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<p>Nonu himself has said this - "<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">"I could probably now thank him [Hammett] in terms of what happened," Nonu said. "I could honestly say I was bitter in terms of when I left. These things happen and life throws you challenges in terms of what you want to get out of it. I've come through a better person and have new motivations to play rugby."</span></p>
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<p>but my point was, it was probably the same fish heads that rubber stamped the decision to ship Nonu as those that agreed to take him back...I wasnt defending the decision or saying it was wrong, just responding to your point that he wouldnt have been alone in making the decision.</p>
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<p>Granted, now, Nonu can look back and say that was something that helped him, we can look back and see the player he became possibly through what he went through, for the sake of Hammet, it woudl not appear the right road to tread, for Nonu, it turns out it probably was.</p> -
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<p>but my point was, it was probably the same fish heads that rubber stamped the decision to ship Nonu as those that agreed to take him back...I wasnt defending the decision or saying it was wrong, just responding to your point that he wouldnt have been alone in making the decision.</p>
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<p>Granted, now, Nonu can look back and say that was something that helped him, we can look back and see the player he became possibly through what he went through, for the sake of Hammet, it woudl not appear the right road to tread, for Nonu, it turns out it probably was.</p>
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<p>Yeah, probably. If thats the case, it comes down the argument which was pitched up by the coach. In the same way that Henry & Hansen have been able to work well with Nonu, Boyd was offering the same - and had a past track record to prove it. </p>
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<p>Now, this makes it easy to turn around and say that Hammett not being able to work with Nonu is his fault, hence Hammett sux etc etc. Which is a valid argument, but neither Joseph nor Kirwan seemed able to work with him either and Blackadder or Rennie didn't want to sign him. I can't offer any reasons why, on that.</p>
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<p>I care little as to whether or not Hammett is actually a good coach, I am just pretty well convinced that the Nonu of 2011 was detrimental to the overall success of the Canes under Hammett and he recognised that and did something about it.</p> -
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<p>Yeah, probably. If thats the case, it comes down the argument which was pitched up by the coach. In the same way that Henry & Hansen have been able to work well with Nonu, Boyd was offering the same - and had a past track record to prove it. </p>
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<p><strong>Now, this makes it easy to turn around and say that Hammett not being able to work with Nonu is his fault, hence Hammett sux etc etc. Which is a valid argument, but neither Joseph nor Kirwan seemed able to work with him either and Blackadder or Rennie didn't want to sign him. I can't offer any reasons why, on that.</strong></p>
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<p>I care little as to whether or not Hammett is actually a good coach, I am just pretty well convinced that the Nonu of 2011 was detrimental to the overall success of the Canes under Hammett and he recognised that and did something about it.</p>
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<p>see I think that is much easier to explain away in that Nonu's heart was always in Wellington, so despite any external efforts Nonu may have made to be better for the other sides, there was always gonna be something missing. </p> -
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<p>Yeah, probably. If thats the case, it comes down the argument which was pitched up by the coach. In the same way that Henry & Hansen have been able to work well with Nonu, Boyd was offering the same - and had a past track record to prove it. </p>
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<p>Now, this makes it easy to turn around and say that Hammett not being able to work with Nonu is his fault, hence Hammett sux etc etc. Which is a valid argument, but neither Joseph nor Kirwan seemed able to work with him either and Blackadder or Rennie didn't want to sign him. I can't offer any reasons why, on that.</p>
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<p>I care little as to whether or not Hammett is actually a good coach, I am just pretty well convinced that the Nonu of 2011 was detrimental to the overall<span style="color:#ff0000;"> success </span>of the Canes under Hammett and he recognised that and did something about it.</p>
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<p>They didn't make top 6 once. Even after Nonu left.</p> -
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<p>If there's a thread to rival a SBW one it's one mentioning the horror of the Hammett years.......and that they may return.</p>
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<p>see I didnt care greatly about it, or more accurately didnt have a vested interest in the coach (being a cantab) or the canes (not being a canes fan) I didnt have a foot in any camp so just watched form behind the ropes as a Kiwi rugby fan...</p> -
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<p>Hope he goes to the Highlanders and gets rid of that troublemaker fullback they have.</p>
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<p>Fekitoa and Waisaki Nahalo have been trouble ever since they arrived from Auckland. The Highlanders need a drastic culture change. Hammett is the man for the job.</p>
