ICC Champions Trophy 2025
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@Bones said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
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Atleast the Lions have turned things around recently. But I get what you're saying.
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@KiwiMurph said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
Glenn Phillips stunning catch. Adds to his highlight reel.
He is wonderful at doing that. What a cricketer.
( conveniently forgets that he sometimes drops sitters too )
Sorry @NTA, the boys tried their best.
I think the 1980s batting in the middle cost us in the end ( cheers @voodoo
)Lathams strike rate doesn't belong in modern test cricket let alone ODIs. 40 valuable balls squandered.
Nathan Smith ended up being a complete waste too unfortunately. Massive step down from Henry who would have made a huge difference.
Excellent match from Michael Bracewell though. Superb all round effort.
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@nzzp said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@MN5 said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
Excellent match from Michael Bracewell though. Superb all round effort.
I haven't rated him, but that was some match from him (looking at the scorecard). Wow.
He never quite made it as a test cricketer. But his ODI stats especially are top draw. Averaging nearly 40 with the bat, striking at 115. 32 with the ball. Statistically probably one of the best ODI all-rounders in the world.
T20, pretty consistent too.
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No real game plan to the spinners we lost wkts playing across the line far too often, we should have played in the V to those straight deliveries forced their spinners to go off their game plan.
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The Henry injury and India's home ground advantage proved obstacles just too big to overcome in the end.
I go against the grain a bit and say that Mitchell and Phillips did exactly what we needed them to, or we were in danger of losing the game in the first 20 overs. Problem was they didn't up the rate soon enough; once we got to the 40 over mark at 175 odd we should have put the foot down and aimed for 10 per over from there, 275+ would have been a very challenging score. Unfortunately Phillips got out at a very bad time just as he was about to do that, and I guess we have to give credit to the Indian spinners who were nearly impossible to hit to the fence on a slow pitch. Once their pace men came back on we got going.
That was a really good campaign overall though, including the warm up series. Lots of different players contributing to get us to the final, we still have stacks of talent in this team, far more than we have had historically.
Not to moan too much but it was a shame we had to play the final in Dubai against a team that had played every game there, given we had acclimatised as much as we could to Pakistan conditions and were playing well there. That does put an asterisk next to this W for India who had a distinct advantage over every other team.
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@LABCAT said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
We really needed one more accurate spin bowler, not sure Sodhi would have been the right guy but he definitely would have had more to offer than Smith.
In hindsight the selection of 3 seamers was folly. Should have tried not to compound the mistake and just bowled all of our slow bowling part timers instead
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@No-Quarter said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
The Henry injury and India's home ground advantage proved obstacles just too big to overcome in the end.
I go against the grain a bit and say that Mitchell and Phillips did exactly what we needed them to, or we were in danger of losing the game in the first 20 overs. Problem was they didn't up the rate soon enough; once we got to the 40 over mark at 175 odd we should have put the foot down and aimed for 10 per over from there, 275+ would have been a very challenging score. Unfortunately Phillips got out at a very bad time just as he was about to do that, and I guess we have to give credit to the Indian spinners who were nearly impossible to hit to the fence on a slow pitch. Once their pace men came back on we got going.
That was a really good campaign overall though, including the warm up series. Lots of different players contributing to get us to the final, we still have stacks of talent in this team, far more than we have had historically.
Not to moan too much but it was a shame we had to play the final in Dubai against a team that had played every game there, given we had acclimatised as much as we could to Pakistan conditions and were playing well there. That does put an asterisk next to this W for India who had a distinct advantage over every other team.
Yeah agree with your post Mitchell had to dig in to save the innings or we were all out for 150 ,
All very well saying he was slow but he did well to keep the innings together.
They just out smarted us with their bowling plans on a pitch they knew inside and out.
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@canefan said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@LABCAT said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
We really needed one more accurate spin bowler, not sure Sodhi would have been the right guy but he definitely would have had more to offer than Smith.
In hindsight the selection of 3 seamers was folly. Should have tried not to compound the mistake and just bowled all of our slow bowling part timers instead
I have a lot of sympathy for the coaches and selectors. We prepared for and selected for Pakistan, and we won every single match we played in Pakistan. One team didn't have to do any of that, all they had to do is put their feet up at a ground they already knew extremely well and wait for the other sides to turn up weary from travel and try and beat them against the odds in different conditions.
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@canefan said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@LABCAT said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
We really needed one more accurate spin bowler, not sure Sodhi would have been the right guy but he definitely would have had more to offer than Smith.
In hindsight the selection of 3 seamers was folly. Should have tried not to compound the mistake and just bowled all of our slow bowling part timers instead
Yep especially considering how much Smith didn't contribute ( feels rough writing this, he is a talent )
Jamieson and Phillips only bowled five overs each.
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@No-Quarter said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@canefan said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@LABCAT said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
We really needed one more accurate spin bowler, not sure Sodhi would have been the right guy but he definitely would have had more to offer than Smith.
In hindsight the selection of 3 seamers was folly. Should have tried not to compound the mistake and just bowled all of our slow bowling part timers instead
I have a lot of sympathy for the coaches and selectors. We prepared for and selected for Pakistan, and we won every single match we played in Pakistan. One team didn't have to do any of that, all they had to do is put their feet up at a ground they already knew extremely well and wait for the other sides to turn up weary from travel and try and beat them against the odds in different conditions.
Agree 💯. They will celebrate, but it's a hollow victory to me
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@canefan It's a shame Chapman doesn't seem to bowl these days as he could have bolstered the batting and added another SLA option. Another batsman (Chapman
or Conway) may have also allowed them to take a more attacking approach through the middle overs (although given how well the spinners bowled it might not have come off).If they were picking a squad with just Dubai in mind they might have also included another spin option.
Overall, they've done brilliantly well across the tri-series and Champions Trophy with the batsmen standing up and the fielding lifting (they showed a stat at the start of the final that NZ had the highest catching percentage 91%). Ravindra and Phillips were tournament stars with their batting and Phillips's stunning catching.
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@MN5 said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
@LABCAT said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
Fuck them. It’s only ODI.
This’ll be forgotten by the end of the week but we’ll never forget 3-0 in the most important format in their own backyard.
I was thinking the same thing. It was a disappointment to lose, but hey the deck was loaded in their favour, and I wouldn't swap that trophy for either of these
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@No-Quarter said in ICC Champions Trophy 2025:
The Henry injury and India's home ground advantage proved obstacles just too big to overcome in the end.
I go against the grain a bit and say that Mitchell and Phillips did exactly what we needed them to, or we were in danger of losing the game in the first 20 overs.
Totally agree
