Black Caps vs England Series
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I saw Latham come out and say the catching is not an issue, that you just sometimes have bad days etc, which I hope was just something he was saying to deflect the media while at the same time he had the boys in the field every day practicing basic catching over and over.
And given this article, I hope to God that is the case as we are the worst fielding side in the world bar Bangladesh at the moment which is both costly and embarrassing.
Those sort of stats point to either can not concentrate to a test level standard.Or lack of repetitive practice to make catching 2nd nature.
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Zero surprises...
"We won't go about doing more catching because of the result that happened. We'll make sure we prepare the way we do, it's something we pride ourselves on, and we'll tick those boxes ...and we will be ready to go for this test match.''
Mitchell said he was unaware of statistics compiled by the cricket.com website that show New Zealand's catching rate in tests this year is the worst of test playing nations bar Bangladesh.
Black Caps out to reverse catching woes in Basin Reserve test
Black Cap Daryl Mitchell says he has faith they will reverse their catching woes and ''take some screamers'' in the second test against England in Wellington.
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@Chris In the cases of Latham and Conway, I wonder if they spend too much time during fielding practice wearing keepers' gloves.
I don't think Philips keeps anymore, so you'd hope he doesn't.
I don't think we've been a good fielding team for at least five years. As another example, I reckon the Aussies hit the stumps much more regularly than we do when they shy at them.
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Apart from the last test, Mitchell has actually been the worst culprit in NZ's catching decline. He used to be bucket hands, now he is butter fingers. So he is a good choice to roll out to the media for question on that topic. WHat has changed in the last 2 years? just getting old, or are they doing something less/different.
I know they're not going to give a 'we are useless, and we've been doing it all wrong' answer. But, some of the soundbites are a bit grating.
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^^ Notice Ajaz's average. Dropping him for home tests made more sense (like back in 2021) when we had 3 seamers with long careers averaging in the 27s and an up-and-comer averaging in the 18s.
Now he has a better career average than Tim.
Doesn't necesarily mean he is well suited for a home test, but the case is less compelling when the senior seamer averages 30.
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Chris In the cases of Latham and Conway, I wonder if they spend too much time during fielding practice wearing keepers' gloves.
I don't think Philips keeps anymore, so you'd hope he doesn't.
I don't think we've been a good fielding team for at least five years. As another example, I reckon the Aussies hit the stumps much more regularly than we do when they shy at them.
yeah here in Australia at all levels there is dedicated fielding days as well as fielding sessions on other days.
As an example the QLD u/19 squad I work with is selected 6 months out from the nationals,they train 4 days a week at the high performance centre.
one of those sessions is a 3 hour fielding session every week for 6 months.
they still train once a week with their clubs, which would include another 30 to 40 min fielding session.
Fielding is seen as massively important here.
We always say as coaches if you can outfield the other team it is worth 80 runs and innings to you not just catching but ground fielding and throwing.
The Craig McDermott academy which I do work with also has a complete week of fielding in their 4 week blocks.There is a waiting list to attend those academy sessions.
The fielding you see in the Australian team comes from hours of working on those skills,When I see the NZ fielding to me it looks like they are not doing the work otherwise the fielding would not be at that standard.
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With analytics in sports now surely they will have all the required stats.
You would think those catching statistics are a KPI for the fielding coach?
Clearly whatever drills they run aren't working.
It would be interesting to spend a week inside camp to get a feel for how truly professional these teams are.
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This is Matt Henry's record since Trent Boult retired and he replaced him as the opening bowler:
57 wickets at 20.96
This is Southee's record in that same time:
40 wickets at 38.92
Knowing when to go, even if it is 1 season too early, is not bad thing.
There was this season here (post-Boult), when everyone else was injured and we were testing our depth with Tickner and Kuggeleijn etc, where Tim was valuable. He probably still had some zip.
Screenshot 2024-12-05 at 9.55.58 AMHave to imagine what our second opening bowler could be averaging over the last 2 years if someone had been brave enough to replace Tim.
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@Rapido Henry was the unluckiest bowler I had seen for a long time as well - had huge numbers of catches dropped off his bowling (the reverse Magnus?)
Goes with the discussion on fielding standards as well. There is no excuse for us not to be elite fielders. It's not rocket science.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps vs England Series:
^^ Notice Ajaz's average. Dropping him for home tests made more sense (like back in 2021) when we had 3 seamers with long careers averaging in the 27s and an up-and-comer averaging in the 18s.
Now he has a better career average than Tim.
Doesn't necesarily mean he is well suited for a home test, but the case is less compelling when the senior seamer averages 30.
30 for me has always been the cut off between good and very good ( with sub 25 being world class )
Obviously this is not an exact science and doesn’t accurately apply to spin bowlers.
Henry has always been better than his record suggests.
……and Southee is screwing his by playing too long !
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps vs England Series:
You would think those catching statistics are a KPI for the fielding coach?
100 % if you had those KPIs statics you wouldn't get another job in Australia.
KPIs are kept on all the coaches here as well as the players, it is were your reputation is built as effective as a coach or not.
KPIs are common practice for all teams I would have thought.
I am not sure if NZ do but here as an example we as coaches write reports which can be assessed by other coaches on Australian cricket app.
Those include Injury updates,What the player is working on for rehabilitation for the injury,,perceived playing weakness, what certain areas the player is working on in this training block,Upload video analysis and we map out their month training wise.
Then if the player is back at their club or their private coaches those coaches can pick up the ball and keep working on it and it is consistent for the Players. -
@Bovidae said in Black Caps vs England Series:
It's got even harder now.
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"Baffled"? Yes Benjamin it appears you are ...
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Same playing 11. There is some outright thievery of test caps occurring at the Basin Reserve. Someone should get the police involved.
Then someone will have to explain to a judge how the 9th or 10th best fit seam bowler is opening the bowling in a test match and the 4th best fit keeper/batsman is playing.
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I am really struggling with Southee's continued selection. In fact, it is seriously pissing me off! IIRC he took 2 wickets at Hagley, one of which was the GP screamer that had no right to be caught, and was in no way attributable to good bowling. He had none of the dropped sitters off his bowling either.
He was very good for a long time, but bloody hell it is over Tim!
I really hope that the above is somehow a reverse jinx, but it seems soooooo unlikely.
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@Snowy said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I am really struggling with Southee's continued selection. In fact, it is seriously pissing me off! IIRC he took 2 wickets at Hagley, one of which was the GP screamer that had no right to be caught, and was in no way attributable to good bowling. He had none of the dropped sitters off his bowling either.
He was very good for a long time, but bloody hell it is over Tim!
I really hope that the above is somehow a reverse jinx, but it seems soooooo unlikely.
The sentimental farewell tour - something NZ sports teams are priding themselves on lately.
