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  • nzzpN Offline
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    @Rapido Henry was the unluckiest bowler I had seen for a long time as well - had huge numbers of catches dropped off his bowling (the reverse Magnus?)

    Goes with the discussion on fielding standards as well. There is no excuse for us not to be elite fielders. It's not rocket science.

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    @Rapido said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    ^^ Notice Ajaz's average. Dropping him for home tests made more sense (like back in 2021) when we had 3 seamers with long careers averaging in the 27s and an up-and-comer averaging in the 18s.

    Now he has a better career average than Tim.

    Doesn't necesarily mean he is well suited for a home test, but the case is less compelling when the senior seamer averages 30.

    30 for me has always been the cut off between good and very good ( with sub 25 being world class )

    Obviously this is not an exact science and doesn’t accurately apply to spin bowlers.

    Henry has always been better than his record suggests.

    ……and Southee is screwing his by playing too long !

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    @KiwiMurph said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    You would think those catching statistics are a KPI for the fielding coach?

    100 % if you had those KPIs statics you wouldn't get another job in Australia.
    KPIs are kept on all the coaches here as well as the players, it is were your reputation is built as effective as a coach or not.
    KPIs are common practice for all teams I would have thought.
    I am not sure if NZ do but here as an example we as coaches write reports which can be assessed by other coaches on Australian cricket app.
    Those include Injury updates,What the player is working on for rehabilitation for the injury,,perceived playing weakness, what certain areas the player is working on in this training block,Upload video analysis and we map out their month training wise.
    Then if the player is back at their club or their private coaches those coaches can pick up the ball and keep working on it and it is consistent for the Players.

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    It's been a good era globally for seam bowling the last 2 years (post-Boult retirement). The bowlers have been on top.

    Here is Southee in the global context of opening bowlers:

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    @Bovidae said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    It's got even harder now.

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/new-zealand-england-docked-wtc-points-for-slow-over-rates-in-christchurch-test-1463242

    "Baffled"? Yes Benjamin it appears you are ...

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    Seems appropriate to let you all know it’s a fucken beautiful day in the nations capital. Perfect for some test cricket !!!

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    @MN5 It's always a beautiful day when we get to watch Will O'Rourke bat.

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    Same playing 11. There is some outright thievery of test caps occurring at the Basin Reserve. Someone should get the police involved.

    Then someone will have to explain to a judge how the 9th or 10th best fit seam bowler is opening the bowling in a test match and the 4th best fit keeper/batsman is playing.

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    I am really struggling with Southee's continued selection. In fact, it is seriously pissing me off! IIRC he took 2 wickets at Hagley, one of which was the GP screamer that had no right to be caught, and was in no way attributable to good bowling. He had none of the dropped sitters off his bowling either.

    He was very good for a long time, but bloody hell it is over Tim!

    I really hope that the above is somehow a reverse jinx, but it seems soooooo unlikely.

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    @Snowy said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    I am really struggling with Southee's continued selection. In fact, it is seriously pissing me off! IIRC he took 2 wickets at Hagley, one of which was the GP screamer that had no right to be caught, and was in no way attributable to good bowling. He had none of the dropped sitters off his bowling either.

    He was very good for a long time, but bloody hell it is over Tim!

    I really hope that the above is somehow a reverse jinx, but it seems soooooo unlikely.

    The sentimental farewell tour - something NZ sports teams are priding themselves on lately.

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    In the last 11 tests , his best bowling return has been a 2/46.

    And only taken more than a 1-fer or a 0-fer on 2 occasions out of 21 innings, (2/46 and 2/85)

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    @Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    The sentimental farewell tour - something NZ sports teams are priding themselves on lately.

    Yeah, the pride is supposed to go before a fall, we are just incorporating it.

    Losing when you aren't putting your best players in the team is unbelievably stupid in a business that's sole purpose is to win (or at the very least inspire performance). I can't see watching "has beens" lose being inspirational for the guys waiting either.

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    @Snowy The most annoying thing is that they'll open the bowling with Tim - when he should be the fourth seamer.

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    Wellington on a slightly above average day today. Bit cloudy, not a lot of wind. That ripped through yesterday. Win the toss and bowl.

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    In that 14 man squad, to look at Duffy and Southee bowling in the trainings and decide Southee is in the best 11 must take a certain type of dishonesty from the leadership.

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    @Snowy said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    I really hope that the above is somehow a reverse jinx, but it seems soooooo unlikely.

    Timmy's bowling seems beyond even my powers of reverse jinx. Sadly finishing up a passenger for two last Tests.

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    Did anyone really expect this regime to drop Southee in his final series?

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    @Chris-B said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    @Snowy The most annoying thing is that they'll open the bowling with Tim - when he should be the fourth seamer.

    @Chris had the only plausible reason for this that I have heard - Tim is shit with the new ball, but he will be much shitter with an older one.

    He may have been a touch more eloquent than that about it.

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  • RapidoR Offline
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    Timmy's last 11 test matches (21 innings). 17 wicket at 52.

    It's probably hard to find an equivalent run ever in NZ history. I wonder what the worst run of 11 tests is for an NZ bowler without getting dropped.

    Is basically slightly worse than the equivalent of career Chris Pringle average-wise, but at half the wicket taking ability.

    I looked at the last 21 bowling innings of Kyle Mills as an example. Compared to Tim's 17 wickets at 52. Kyle was drop-worthy with 27 wicket at 34. (Ironically, Kye was dropped to make way for some young tyro definitely not called Tom Southerley that the slectors though was worth a cnother crack)

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    @KiwiMurph said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    Did anyone really expect this regime to drop Southee in his final series?

    No, but it doesn't stop us wanting it to happen (or whining that it isn't).

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