Autumn Test 2024 : Wales v Australia
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Well another test watched in pub here in Wales, and the overriding feeling of the patrons there seemed almost sadness. Most there seemed real invested rugby people, all I think were former players etc (even an ex Welsh captain), not real anger, or blaming Gatland, but saddened with how the game has shrunk etc in the country.
I have feeling Gats isn't the problem, but should maybe go to allow the players a chance to mentally refresh. You get impression they have lost all confidence. -
@Catogrande I wonder whether Shaun Edwards would be interesting in a Head Coaching gig or if Ronan O'Gara would be interested in the Welsh job if approached.
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For the guys calling for Gatland to walk, he did offer to and the board said no earlier in the season, so I think the problems run a bit deeper than Gatland.
People on here were saying that Razor doesn't have the cattle (absolutely ridiculous call btw), but with this Wales side from what I've seen of them, unless they have better players not getting picked, then I think it's fair to say that they genuinely don't have the cattle.
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@African-Monkey agreed, no cattle. There’s a difference between offering a resignation because you feel it’s the ethical play and then there’s resigning because you’re done. He must be getting closer to the latter.
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@Jet said in Autumn Test 2024 : Wales v Australia:
@sparky said in Autumn Test 2024 : Wales v Australia:
11 defeats in a row from Wales. Surely Gatland can't continue?
You cant turn chicken shit into chicken soup.
Actually, chickens eat their own shit and chickens become chicken soup.
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I wonder what Mark Hammett is doing. And Ian Foster. A Celtic dream team.
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@game_film said in Autumn Test 2024 : Wales v Australia:
@African-Monkey agreed, no cattle. There’s a difference between offering a resignation because you feel it’s the ethical play and then there’s resigning because you’re done. He must be getting closer to the latter.
Maybe they feel like there are no alternatives out there? I agree, he should be let go, but that current Wales side would struggle to make the Super Rugby playoffs. It's a real tough period for them, so maybe they want Glatland to see them through this rebuilding phase before bringing in someone better?
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That reminded me of a Bledisloe game I've seen 25 times, except we were the All Blacks and Wales were us.
Fast start but pegged back and at half time it looks like it might be close. A red card looks like it might make the game even closer, but then bang bang bang you're dead and it's 50. And you realise you never stood a chance, it was all a mirage. You're on the plane before you know what hit you.
We've got four or five guys in career best form at the moment, principally Tom Wright and Bobby Valetini. They respectively give us the ability to create from anywhere, and a punch in tight to get us moving forward. Add in a functioning lineout maul and a few lucky breaks and all of a sudden you're cooking.
It's great to see, and a real credit to Schmidt and his team. He has them cooking.
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@MajorRage said in Autumn Test 2024 : Wales v Australia:
@MiketheSnow said in Autumn Test 2024 : Wales v Australia:
Worst NZ performance this weekend?
This excuse for a ref
Love your comments on the Wales games.
As you keep us all in check on our one eyed for our own games, it's good to see you are just as bad come your own team!
Dolman is far from Wales biggest problem.
Both things can be true at the same time
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@sparky said in Autumn Test 2024 : Wales v Australia:
@Jet Time for a fresh voice, like Matt Sherratt or Dwayne Peel.
Comedy Gold
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@Billy-Tell said in Autumn Test 2024 : Wales v Australia:
Wales just don’t have the forwards. Will be competing with Italy to avoid the wooden spoon.
Schmidt subbed Bell because we had scrum dominance
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Right I'm up and I'm sober.
I've been in Gatland's position where things aren't working and the easiest option is to just walk away and say fuck it.
Unless he's got a secret betting problem like his colleague Rob Howley then he doesn't need the money.
And the run of losses is certainly tarnishing his legacy.
Bu the best option is to finish the job you were employed to do, to the best of your ability.
So Gatland continues for next week's match against South Africa. He and the WRU can make a decision after that.
There is zero value firing him this week. To anyone.
I still believe that on-field decisions and execution are the players' responsibilities not the coaches.
And Gatland has taken so many coach killer shots this Autumn because of the players.
Tom Wright's first try
Australia like Ireland before them looked pretty throwing the ball around phase after phase but ultimately they were going nowhere except the touchline until Murray waved Wright through untouched.
Just really, really poor defending.Frost's try
Poor basic skills and poor tackling gave the Aussies the ball and gap and Frost galloped away superbly, untouched.
Very much against the run of play as we were building phases.Fessler's first try
A very good Australian maul, no arguments there.19-0 after 23 mins
Not looking good at allWales started playing to the script taking the ball up quickly through the forwards and lo and behold we score.
The officials start calling the Aussie offsides and we're starting to get penalties in kickable positions.
19-13 half time with Wales very much in the ascendancy.
A sluggish start with poor player execution (same old, same old) but we tightened up and at half time it's anyone's match.
Whoever decided to kick the ball dead to finish the half needs a bollocking.
Australia were under the pump, giving away penalties, and our line out had been going great.
If we'd kicked to touch we would have been on their 10m line at least with a chance to do something from the line out.
A missed opportunity.
Second Half
Anyone saying Kerevi's hit didn't warrant a YC is dreaming. Should it have been upgraded to RC. That's a lottery in today's game.
Fessler's second try
Another very good Australian maul, no arguments there.But based on poor Welsh kicking and decision making giving 14-man Australia unworked for field position.
Fessler's third try
A repeat of the secondTom Wright's second try
This is all Gatland
Costelow gets brought on at 58 mins to steer the ship at 10 and gifts Wright an intercept try that Blind Freddy could see was coming
Shit skills, shit execution from a player who shouldn't be anywhere near the Welsh squad.Wales must be the only team in World Rugby who can start a half in the ascendancy and with the inability to take advantage of being 15 v 14 leak 21 points in that 20 minute RC period
Gatland fucked up the bench for the Fiji match and he fucked up the bench for this match
We had to have a reserve scrum half on the bench but we didn't need a reserve outside half, especially Costelow.
When Anscombe came off Thomas should have gone to 10.
Bench should have been Hardy, James, Dyer/Hathaway.
At 67 minutes we get a try back playing sensible rugby driving the ball up into the Aussie forwards.
Then we decide to kick the ball away at every opportunity, especially from scrum half, Elias chooses yesterday to be one of his 'can't hit a barn door with a banjo' days, and we gift Australia possession and territory for them to run in two soft tries in the last 10 minutes and secure a record breaking win.
There was very little wrong with our forward effort prior to subbing our whole front row.
That's all on Gatland. Lake should have stayed on.
Botham had his best game in red and on a different day would have been awarded a try from a brilliant one handed pick up.
Rogers on the wing was immense. He won way more 50/50 balls than he should have but was paying injured for most of the match. But with no wing on the bench he played on for too long. And he was still better than Murray on one leg.
That's all on Gatland.
The TMO was a fucking pest. He stopped the match twice for incidents that weren't but then totally ignored Suaalii's no arm tackle shoulder to the head.
Suaalii could and should be cited for this.
So we have the World Champions and No 1 team in the world up next.
If Gatland selects Tshiunza, R Williams, Anscombe, Costelow, Murray in the match day 23 then YES it's a Gatland problem.
Pack should start the same, with Plumtree on the bench instead of Tshiunza
Backline should be
Bevan, Thomas, Dyer, James, Llewelyn, Rogers, Winnett
Hardy, Hathaway on the bench
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@Tim said in Autumn Test 2024 : Wales v Australia:
After Gatland's 11th consecutive loss is it time for a reevaluation of Wayne Pivac's tenure? He won the Six Nations in 2021, and though they lost 5 games in the 2022 tournament, they did beat Scotland.
He started the rot
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@MiketheSnow Maybe the players and the club systems are the problem, and he did a brilliant job with limited resources in 2021? They've only gotten much worse since.
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@Tim said in Autumn Test 2024 : Wales v Australia:
@MiketheSnow Maybe the players and the club systems are the problem, and he did a brilliant job with limited resources in 2021? They've only gotten much worse since.
Man for man Pivac had far better personnel to choose from
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Have watched it now - I'm too old to get up and watch at fuckall o'clock and mutter at the TV.
We started well, because we had all the possession and Wales missed a couple of tackles or dropped the ball.
Wales came back once they hung onto it - and that's the bit that should give Uncle Joe something to chew on this week before Scotland.
- We lost the scrum battle - Bell was getting in a bad position and then his second row was giving him zero grunt to fight a tighter Welsh unit behind Griffin. TBH Bell looked pretty exhausted from the get-go after a big game against England.
- Line Defence was bad in the early stages, which was probably down to personnel changes and match fitness.
- We lost the aerial battle again, which will have Scotland licking their lips.
- Discipline threatened to go back to the Bad Old Days, but then for both sides it was hard as Doleman kept moving the goal posts.
- Kerevi had a perfect chance to cut a bloke in half but goes for the chest tackle. FFS. Go back to Japan.
- White's passing was crap - straight at the ball carrier instead of in front of them
I thought Wales 14 was excellent value. Took the high ball well and defended solidly. Morgan as always is the guy you want to follow. Felt fucking sorry for Lake doing the post-match as he'd tried his heart out.
Our defence in the second half was a lot better as guys worked into their combinations.
Schmidt said his strategy was to get JAS on in the second half for Kerevi, but he fucked that up, eh?
Why was Lolesio left out there for 78 minutes? Surely with a lead like that you give Donaldson a run and let him get some minutes. Might need the former to get some rest and the latter to get some minutes leading into Scotland.
Overall, I'm in about the same headspace as last week - yes the England win was thrilling, and mostly workmanlike, but I thought England were better opposition overall, and it showed.
We inch forward.
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@Tim said in Autumn Test 2024 : Wales v Australia:
After Gatland's 11th consecutive loss is it time for a reevaluation of Wayne Pivac's tenure? He won the Six Nations in 2021, and though they lost 5 games in the 2022 tournament, they did beat Scotland.
…..and that in itself is basically the Everest of Rugby achievements
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I think at this point we've done a good job on the EOYT - 2 wins was probably the benchmark.
I'm wary of the Scots. While they've been chopping and changing, and won't have learned much from Portugal, their top squad will be rested and ready to go next week.
Ireland I'd written off before we started the tour. Now I think we're 35%.
