World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game
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@mohikamo said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Nah
what you do is send the yellow card player off,
BUT THEN, when the team with the man advantage scores (or the ten minutes expire - which ever comes first) thats the end of the card.
both teams back to equal . . . so simple to administershould be the same for red cards
the only difference being then, is that the red carded player doesn't come back, a different player doescommensense
That's the ice hockey model right?
I like it
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Red cards
seems to me NH rugby is more concerned about targeting than SH
probably says a bit more about NH mentality than anything
always had west europeans down as a very huggy lot, not thuggy at alltargeting is very serious in the professional game, its a work place, and you are talking about maiming someone in the work place?
affecting the livelyhood of fellow professional? . . . somehow i think the other players will "self administer" you out of the game if you are doing goon stufflets not forget . . . you sign away a lot of your rights when you run onto the field . . . but not all of them
notice the NFL outlawed the hip drop tackle in the offseason, and used a lot of rugby video examples to do it
of course everyone started squealing
more anti-defender rules, more for the refs to do
NFL hq came out and said that they couldn't have star players getting knocked out of the game, and also said that the refs wouldn't administer it, THEY WOULD, after video reviews, with fines first then suspensions
and thats how it has worked out, any miscreant players getting a bill on Monday
fines are good at getting rid of foul play . . . the females tend to get involved
when your gf/wife/mom are telling you that thats real money, and you're a dumb ass, you soon adjust your behaviour -
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The French Rugby Federation have expressed their firm opposition to 20-minute Red Cards:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cvgxdgd1yyeo
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@sparky From the article:
In a joint statement, the three French governing bodies say the "data collected remains insufficient" to go through with the proposal.
"Statistics provided by the FFR [French Rugby Federation] to World Rugby show that a red card does not systematically mean defeat for the penalised team," the statement said.
"Indeed, the analysis based on 480 Top 14 matches and Tier 1 international matches shows that only 60% of the teams receiving a red card lost at the end of the match."
The analysis would be more helpful is it broke down when during the match the red cards were handed out and see the correlation with the result.
Furthermore I'm sick of the false equivalence of ex-players suing and the red cards for head contact.
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@antipodean said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Furthermore I'm sick of the false equivalence of ex-players suing and the red cards for head contact.
followed by "you just don't care about player welfare"
you know who doesn't care about player welfare? Unions with never ending club comps that result in a million little head contacts a season, that are showing to be a far more significant cause of long term brain trauma than incidental head contact from a tackler.
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@mariner4life that plus they've allowed teams to take the piss with "injury" stoppages, and the current rules allow teams to replace their entire forward pack at half time, leading to a slower game, allowing bigger and bigger players to thrive, leading to the contact between players becoming more and more serious. Honestly watching footage from the 90s and 00s is like watching touch rugby compared to what we have today. That's your main cause of brain injuries, not the odd high tackle.
Honestly, if they just sped the game up again a lot of this would go away, but that would of course suit teams like the ABs and Wallabies so is unlikely to ever happen, so they'll just continue dishing out cards and ruining games instead.
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@No-Quarter said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
but that would of course suit teams like the ABs and Wallabies so is unlikely to ever happen
god, why do we have to keep making changes just to suit Australia and New Zealand? The game is perfect here, thriving, and no one ever gets hurt, and clubs never go bust. You just can't handle you don't dominate any more.
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I've got mixed feelings about the 20 minutes red card.
I can see both sides, in that tackle height simply must be lower & it is working as a deterrent. However, we lost our Captain in a world cup final due to a 50/50 (in my eyes) whilst in the same game, the officials completely missed Etzebeth doing something which warrants the same punishment.
Calls will always go either way but a red card is a game changer & thus if it's not policed accurately, then officials will have a larger bearing on an outcome than they should. Thats the problem in my eyes, which a 20 minute break somewhat alleviates.
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agree 100 %
if the game is sped up there will be a lot of larger players out of a job
but a lot of smaller players with a jobthat happened in rugby league when they reduced the bench to 4 players with 8 interchanges max per game (they almost went to 6 interchanges max . . . should have)
the intention was to get more smaller players into the game
a few of the larger players just couldn't handle the pace and were soon gone
never heard any thoughts of doing anything like that in rugby unionif rugby doesn't change it'll remain a niche sport in western europe with a few small outposts in the rest of the world
in a place like australia it'll be done (maybe already is)the days of the ABs running onto the field . . . throwin the ball around . . . runnin the other team off their feet . . . and gettin the dub . . . ARE GONE . . . for now
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we need more detail on those FFR stats
like when the red card was issued . . . i.e. was the red issued in the first five minutes or last five minutes
or what the score was . . . i.e. was the team red carded in front or behind on the scoreboard
i would say if you get red carded in the first five minutes, you'd lose, game over
if you are behind on the scoreboard when carded . . . game over
in those games it'd be closer to 100%, and that is probably the 60% they state
in the other 40%, the game was probably already decided by the time of the red card
so 288 top class games were decided by red cards . . thats a lot!
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So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
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@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
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@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
Amateur hour and typical lack of leadership from WR.
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@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
Isn’t that what we have in SR currently? For instance Lomani got a full red playing for the Drua earlier this year
The same standard too - deliberate and dangerous
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@Duluth said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
Isn’t that what we have in SR currently? For instance Lomani got a full red playing for the Drua earlier this year
The same standard too - deliberate and dangerous
Didn't realise that about super rugby reds.
We all probably have an image in our minds about what constitutes deliberate and dangerous, but the problem is we all obviously see things differently. One set of officials and/or fans see something one way and another set sees things another. Also, deliberate/intent is very difficult to prove. Only one person really knows if something is deliberate or not.
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Elbow to the head. Kicking in the head. Eye gouge. Penis twists etc
Things that would’ve been reds in the last century
So the ref can call those immediately on the field. It’s worked well so far.. I think it’s been used twice (both in the same match haha)
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They can't just have a different colour for the 20 minute cards?
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@Duluth said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Elbow to the head. Kicking in the head. Eye gouge. Penis twists etc
Things that would’ve been reds in the last century
So the ref can call those immediately on the field. It’s worked well so far.. I think it’s been used twice (both in the same match haha)
Those examples are pretty good and probably what most people would envisage. I suppose what they are proposing is akin to the 'Orange card' suggested on here a few times.
Let's hope it's officiated that way and politics doesn't come into it.
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@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
I suppose what they are proposing
I think the article was written poorly. They aren’t changing anything. They are trialling the current SR system
They are against an additional change:
The possibility of the 20-minute version becoming the only red card available to referees is to be discussed at a World Rugby meeting on 14 November
