World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game
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we need more detail on those FFR stats
like when the red card was issued . . . i.e. was the red issued in the first five minutes or last five minutes
or what the score was . . . i.e. was the team red carded in front or behind on the scoreboard
i would say if you get red carded in the first five minutes, you'd lose, game over
if you are behind on the scoreboard when carded . . . game over
in those games it'd be closer to 100%, and that is probably the 60% they state
in the other 40%, the game was probably already decided by the time of the red card
so 288 top class games were decided by red cards . . thats a lot!
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So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
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@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
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@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
Amateur hour and typical lack of leadership from WR.
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@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
Isn’t that what we have in SR currently? For instance Lomani got a full red playing for the Drua earlier this year
The same standard too - deliberate and dangerous
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@Duluth said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@sparky said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
So refs in the Autumn Internationals can issue a 20-minutes Red Cards if they want to or traditional Red Card too.
I suspect French or Irish referees won't be issuing any 20-minute red cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqxrneew3v1o
Surely that just gives people reason to cry foul when one team gets a 20 minute red card and another doesn't. It's giving rugby officiating another opportunity to be inconsistent.
Isn’t that what we have in SR currently? For instance Lomani got a full red playing for the Drua earlier this year
The same standard too - deliberate and dangerous
Didn't realise that about super rugby reds.
We all probably have an image in our minds about what constitutes deliberate and dangerous, but the problem is we all obviously see things differently. One set of officials and/or fans see something one way and another set sees things another. Also, deliberate/intent is very difficult to prove. Only one person really knows if something is deliberate or not.
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Elbow to the head. Kicking in the head. Eye gouge. Penis twists etc
Things that would’ve been reds in the last century
So the ref can call those immediately on the field. It’s worked well so far.. I think it’s been used twice (both in the same match haha)
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They can't just have a different colour for the 20 minute cards?
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@Duluth said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Elbow to the head. Kicking in the head. Eye gouge. Penis twists etc
Things that would’ve been reds in the last century
So the ref can call those immediately on the field. It’s worked well so far.. I think it’s been used twice (both in the same match haha)
Those examples are pretty good and probably what most people would envisage. I suppose what they are proposing is akin to the 'Orange card' suggested on here a few times.
Let's hope it's officiated that way and politics doesn't come into it.
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@Crazy-Horse said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
I suppose what they are proposing
I think the article was written poorly. They aren’t changing anything. They are trialling the current SR system
They are against an additional change:
The possibility of the 20-minute version becoming the only red card available to referees is to be discussed at a World Rugby meeting on 14 November -
@No-Quarter said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
They can't just have a different colour for the 20 minute cards?
This.
Orange would make sense.
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@booboo said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@No-Quarter said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
They can't just have a different colour for the 20 minute cards?
This.
Orange would make sense.
ah that could be why large tracts of Ireland are resisting it...
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Yeah Nige, red means red
Unless it gets rescinded 2 days later
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Can we call the 20 minute card an Orange and if the Welsh still object then call it a Welsh red card ..
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@nostrildamus said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
Can we call the 20 minute card an Orange and if the Welsh still object then call it a Welsh red card ..
We’ll have more cards than Hallmark soon if we’re not careful
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@MiketheSnow well it seems some fans love cards, so why not.
While WR are at it, if they see fit to card someone for an accidental head contact, there should be a mandatory HIA on the player that got this head contact (actually, some instances both players should have an HIA) that seems to rarely happen, sometimes can take many minutes before someone thinks to take them off for an HIA.
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@taniwharugby said in World Rugby confirms changes to be implemented across the global game:
@MiketheSnow well it seems some fans love cards, so why not.
While WR are at it, if they see fit to card someone for an accidental head contact, there should be a mandatory HIA on the player that got this head contact (actually, some instances both players should have an HIA) that seems to rarely happen, sometimes can take many minutes before someone thinks to take them off for an HIA.
I understand where you're coming from but using that logic, ANY dangerous tackle should result in the tackled player being taken from the field.
Taking out a player in the air isn't always going to cause an injury but there's a much higher chance of it than if they're on the ground. It's the same for head-high tackles (intentional or not).
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In amazing news new-style red cards are pretty bloody random, and poorly implemented in game by refs (and TMOs!). I get the protect the head, but considering the lottery of cards and the fact the multiple little bangs over extended seasons are quite probably worse, this is why we support the 20 min card
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@Mr-Fish so you are saying if there is a head contact that is deemed worthy to send someone from the field and end thier game, potentially affect the outcome, they dont need to have an HIA?
this one was rescinded too....
Sadly, the game is littered with inconsistency around cards, and subsequent rulings on punishment (or not as is the case sometimes)
