All Blacks EOYT
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started at 12?
Has hes started 17 tests at 12?!?
Yes. Yes he has! It's a fact. Sorry to be a fluffybunny who provided a fact.
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
I ask someone to tell me how many time AJ has started at 12 - and I'm a fluffybunny yet again. With a narrative.
Maybe somone else could be a fluffybunny who turns up with some facts?!
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
David Havili hitting the touchie with a cut out pass should be his last act in Black to be fair.
Him laughing it off fucken wound me up too. You’re playing for your country, not some social team.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started at 12?
Has hes started 17 tests at 12?!?
Yes. Yes he has! It's a fact. Sorry to be a fluffybunny who provided a fact.
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
I ask someone to tell me how many time AJ has started at 12 - and I'm a fluffybunny yet again. With a narrative.
Maybe somone else could be a fluffybunny who turns up with some facts?!
That was more of a surprise to me than anything. I thought he played about 10 max there.
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I think we're a good chance to win perhaps two of these three games.
My reason for optimism is the injection of power we get when we sub on Tosi, Williams, Aumua, and Tuipolotu.
Add to that possibly Roigard as the subbed on half and that is (potentially) very serious impact off the bench. -
@African-Monkey Not having a go at you, at all.
Just a springboard to fire back at the snipers!
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
11? There were 8 against Japan wasn't there?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
David Havili hitting the touchie with a cut out pass should be his last act in Black to be fair.
Kick "pass" at that
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
11? There were 8 against Japan wasn't there?
Seven players who debuted this year, four additional players with only a handful of caps (Finau, Roigard, Perofeta, Lord).
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David Havili gets a lot of undue criticism on here...
I think if paired with a big centre he could be a pretty good international 12. I don't think he should've been selected in the squad but he's not a terrible player.
His kick to the wing was actually perfectly placed - he obviously thought he had a runner out there. It wasn't a lack of skill, he just made a small mistake. And criticising him for laughing it off? We don't want these players getting in their heads when they're making 'positive' errors like that (in, might I add a game that's already well and truly been decided) - I have absolutely no issues with how he reacted.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:
David Havili gets a lot of undue criticism on here...
I think if paired with a big centre he could be a pretty good international 12. I don't think he should've been selected in the squad but he's not a terrible player.
His kick to the wing was actually perfectly placed - he obviously thought he had a runner out there. It wasn't a lack of skill, he just made a small mistake. And criticising him for laughing it off? We don't want these players getting in their heads when they're making 'positive' errors like that (in, might I add a game that's already well and truly been decided) - I have absolutely no issues with how he reacted.
This
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
11? There were 8 against Japan wasn't there?
Seven players who debuted this year, four additional players with only a handful of caps (Finau, Roigard, Perofeta, Lord).
Which doesn't equate to 11 rookies. Finau started a Bledisloe last year, Lord started against Argentina away last year and people were rightly pissed off Roigard wasn't named on the bench for the World Cup Final last year. Trying to turn that into credit for playing them against 14th ranked Japan is some serious mental gymnastics.
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@canefan said in All Blacks EOYT:
Flooding the field with greenhorns and debutantes does them no good, and is of little value in terms of accurately evaluating their potential value to the top team IMHO
Don't think people are talking about flooding the field. More about giving much more game time to greenhorns, trying new combinations and testing some promising debutants rather that sticking rigidly with players due to retire in the next 6-12 months.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks EOYT:
@canefan said in All Blacks EOYT:
Flooding the field with greenhorns and debutantes does them no good, and is of little value in terms of accurately evaluating their potential value to the top team IMHO
Don't think people are talking about flooding the field. More about giving much more game time to greenhorns, trying new combinations and testing some promising debutants rather that sticking rigidly with players due to retire in the next 6-12 months.
I was referring to the Japan game. I don't see much use in sending on a bunch of young players and seeing our pattern go to shit (although admittedly we don't really have much pattern right now). Inserting guys into our A team combinations would have been more use, as we've discussed with regards to the last Bled match
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started at 12?No I doubt it.
lists him as a wing still!AJ Lam Player Profile — Blues Rugby
Find out more about AJ Lam and his history playing for the Blues Super Rugby team.
I ask someone to tell me how many time AJ has started at 12 - and I'm a fluffybunny yet again. With a narrative.
Well that wasn't me.
DH is more experienced, no argument from me.
Is he the better 12? I'd like to see A J Lam given at least a chance there to see. Plus Lam is faster than our latest 2 wings so provides some wing cover.
DH can cover 15 and 10 but we have enough fullbacks and I wonder if he is truly considered a 10 backup by the coaches.I don't think DH has had a full season to show he is fit and in form.
But Lam has had that season.
Started only 4 times at 12 and 5 times at 13 this year as far as I can tell, so, 9. Scored 5 times in his 15 or so games this season.
how many times has DH played in the midfield this year? 6? Scoring in 1 out of 9 games?
And A J Lam can kick at international level!
So you can argue, for sure, that DH is more experienced but I claim what is more important is who would be better for the ABs. And we simply don't know yet. But I'd argue Lam's 2024 season warrants a look. And arguably Lam has been the better 12. And he covers 13 and wing (has played at 11 and 14).
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@canefan said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks EOYT:
@canefan said in All Blacks EOYT:
Flooding the field with greenhorns and debutantes does them no good, and is of little value in terms of accurately evaluating their potential value to the top team IMHO
Don't think people are talking about flooding the field. More about giving much more game time to greenhorns, trying new combinations and testing some promising debutants rather that sticking rigidly with players due to retire in the next 6-12 months.
I was referring to the Japan game. I don't see much use in sending on a bunch of young players and seeing our pattern go to shit (although admittedly we don't really have much pattern right now). Inserting guys into our A team combinations would have been more use, as we've discussed with regards to the last Bled match
Fair enough and I think we're saying pretty much the same thing. I'd still like to see some bolder selections and a few more newbies against the better sides though.
On the Japan game, assuming Roigard didn't get a niggle, it would have been way better to have kept him on longer and having Ratima on the bench rather than TJP.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
11? There were 8 against Japan wasn't there?
Seven players who debuted this year, four additional players with only a handful of caps (Finau, Roigard, Perofeta, Lord).
Which doesn't equate to 11 rookies. Finau started a Bledisloe last year, Lord started against Argentina away last year and people were rightly pissed off Roigard wasn't named on the bench for the World Cup Final last year. Trying to turn that into credit for playing them against 14th ranked Japan is some serious mental gymnastics.
So when people say they want to see Razor using new players, they're explicitly talking about debutants and not just players new to the first-choice team?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks EOYT:
@canefan said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks EOYT:
@canefan said in All Blacks EOYT:
Flooding the field with greenhorns and debutantes does them no good, and is of little value in terms of accurately evaluating their potential value to the top team IMHO
Don't think people are talking about flooding the field. More about giving much more game time to greenhorns, trying new combinations and testing some promising debutants rather that sticking rigidly with players due to retire in the next 6-12 months.
I was referring to the Japan game. I don't see much use in sending on a bunch of young players and seeing our pattern go to shit (although admittedly we don't really have much pattern right now). Inserting guys into our A team combinations would have been more use, as we've discussed with regards to the last Bled match
Fair enough and I think we're saying pretty much the same thing. I'd still like to see some bolder selections and a few more newbies against the better sides though.
On the Japan game, assuming Roigard didn't get a niggle, it would have been way better to have kept him on longer and having Ratima on the bench rather than TJP.
I think we agree. TJP, Cane among others are just taking valuable minutes from potential future playing squad members
