All Blacks EOYT
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@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz pretty quiet on that points scored stat?
Here are the stats when each 10 played for their team this season.
Blues (Perofeta)
Points per game - 28.8
Tries per game - 4.2Blues (Plummer)
Points per game - 38.4
Tries per game - 5.7Chiefs (Dmac)
Points per game - 33.3
Tries per game - 4.1Here are more stats around the context of each teams ratio of tries not involving the 10 DIRECTLY, ie directly attributed to the forward pack.
Blues (Perofeta)
% of Tries from pick and go/maul - 44%Blues (Plummer)
% of Tries from pick and go/maul - 57%Chiefs (Dmac)
% of Tries from pick and go/maul - 23%We can even compare the % of tries scored where the 10 TOUCHES the ball in the sequence leading to the try (within 2 breakdowns).
Blues (Perofeta)
% of Tries directly involved in - 24%Blues (Plummer)
% of Tries directly involved in - 11%Chiefs (Dmac)
% of Tries directly involved in - 57%The Blues under Plummer scored more points/tries but it was also further along the season (with Perofeta starting the first 6 games) where the Blues perfected their extremely direct attack shape. They would attack right next to the breakdown with their forwards and halfback passing onto one off runners, as well as utilizing their maul.
It feels disingenuous to attribute the Blues efficiency in attack to Plummer when the data suggests he is barely directly involved in any of the scoring plays, or is even utilized at all.
You can see that in the carries/passes per game from each 10.
Perofeta
Carries per game - 10.8
Passes per game - 21Plummer
Carries per game - 6.4
Passes per game - 13Dmac
Carries per game - 8.3
Passes per game - 27Plummer has less contributions all around in every department. It was obvious to anyone watching the Blues this year that their attack was centered around their superior forward pack. So I found it laughable to hear all this Plummer hype and the Blues success attributed to him.
Also remembering even with the least contributions Plummer still makes more mistakes(turnovers) than Dmac per game even though Dmac is massively utilized and involved in nearly every Chiefs scoring play.
Considering the way Razor also wants to play and use the ball and use width, Plummer doesn't fit that mould in any way when you look at the role he's played at the Blues this year.
Fact is Plummer was always just going to be injury cover until Perofeta got back.
In light of the squad announcement, considering these stats it's not surprising at all that Plummer hasnt made the 36 man squad, and wouldn't be surprised if Jacomb gets the spot ahead of him in the XVs squad tomorrow as well.
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
His positives are so "insane" that he has a test win % of 79%. Not to be sniffed at.
But it's lower than the 90%+ plus that the All Blacks were recording a few years ago and South Africa and Ireland are achieving at the moment.
You're using the team winning percentage now as your argument???
Thanks, I now know George Bridge is a vastly superior winger to Jonah Lomu due to his higher test winning percentage
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If Robertsons aim was to rile up blues supporters on the silverfern forum then he’s onto a winner. I’m going to judge the tour on results.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
Considering the way Razor also wants to play and use the ball and use width, Plummer doesn't fit that mould in any way when you look at the role he's played at the Blues this year.
I think the question then comes why are we so wedded to one particular style only (not in relation to Plummer - just in general).
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
If Robertsons aim was to rile up blues supporters on the silverfern forum then he’s onto a winner. I’m going to judge the tour on results.
Just like we did about the Rugby Championship. The criticism is not unwarrented.
Shipping 38 points to Argentina is hugely embarassing.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
If Robertsons aim was to rile up blues supporters on the silverfern forum then he’s onto a winner. I’m going to judge the tour on results.
Just like we did about the Rugby Championship. The criticism is not unwarrented.
Shipping 38 points to Argentina is hugely embarassing.
I totally agree. I’m not defending that result. However if we have a successful EOYT then I’ll be happy enough overall for a first year in charge. That is no gimme: France Poms Ireland at home.
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I feel dirty, but I have just read a Stuff article on the AB squad and there was not one mention of Sotutu's continued absence, either in the article or in the comments. What's going on over there? Is Razor getting a free ride from the press? Is it just the Fern getting hot under the collar about it?
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The revisionist nonsense with Sotutu on this forum is nuts. One good super rugby season where the next best loose forward trio was a young and inexperienced chiefs trio (except Jacobson) is hardly anything to cry home about.
Remember, Robertson has seven years experience coaching against these players. The two previous play off games against the Crusaders (final and semi final, Sotutu and Akira were treated like literal children by the crusaders forward pack. They were atrocious.
Why would Robertson select a player that has the mental strength of a piece of wet cardboard when he plays a player has big as he is? Sotutu was thrown around like a rag doll by Matera. What do you think would happen against South Africa, England, Ireland etc?
Like Akira, he’s a flat track bully
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@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks EOYT:
The revisionist nonsense with Sotutu on this forum is nuts. One good super rugby season where the next best loose forward trio was a young and inexperienced chiefs trio (except Jacobson) is hardly anything to cry home about.
Remember, Robertson has seven years experience coaching against these players. The two previous play off games against the Crusaders (final and semi final, Sotutu and Akira were treated like literal children by the crusaders forward pack. They were atrocious.
Why would Robertson select a player that has the mental strength of a piece of wet cardboard when he plays a player has big as he is? Sotutu was thrown around like a rag doll by Matera. What do you think would happen against South Africa, England, Ireland etc?
Like Akira, he’s a flat track bully
Sititi goes alright after getting bullied from pillar to post by Akira and Sotutu in the SR Final this year or does that not count?
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks EOYT:
The revisionist nonsense with Sotutu on this forum is nuts. One good super rugby season where the next best loose forward trio was a young and inexperienced chiefs trio (except Jacobson) is hardly anything to cry home about.
Remember, Robertson has seven years experience coaching against these players. The two previous play off games against the Crusaders (final and semi final, Sotutu and Akira were treated like literal children by the crusaders forward pack. They were atrocious.
Why would Robertson select a player that has the mental strength of a piece of wet cardboard when he plays a player has big as he is? Sotutu was thrown around like a rag doll by Matera. What do you think would happen against South Africa, England, Ireland etc?
Like Akira, he’s a flat track bully
Sititi goes alright after getting bullied from pillar to post by Akira and Sotutu in the SR Final this year or does that not count?
Clearly not. And NPC form overrides SR form apparently
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@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks EOYT:
The two previous play off games against the Crusaders (final and semi final, Sotutu and Akira were treated like literal children by the crusaders forward pack. They were atrocious.
That's simply not true when looking at the 2022 Super Rugby Final.
Sotutu was a one man band in that Super Rugby Final at 8 - he got stuck into absolutely everything and was the ones Blues forward who out pointed his opposite despite playing with the beaten pack - remembering it was Cullen Grace's error at the scrum which lead to Finlay Christie's try for the Blues.
No issues with the criticism but let's at least have a little accuracy.
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People remember what they want to remember.
In 2022, the Crusaders line out went amazing / the Blues imploded (running at 47%). Crusaders accordingly had 60% of the ball and territory. That isn't on those two players.
What they did do, was:
Akira Ioane highest number of metres gained (52), off team high 9 carries, with 15 tackles (1 miss) with 1 penalty conceded 1 turnover conceded. Oh, and he had 4 defenders beaten (team high).
Sotutu made 24 tackles (team high) with 1 miss, 36 metres gained off 7 carries, with 9 passes, including 1 defender beaten and 1 offload.
They two of them were awesome, you are talking absolute horseshit.
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@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks EOYT:
The revisionist nonsense with Sotutu on this forum is nuts. One good super rugby season where the next best loose forward trio was a young and inexperienced chiefs trio (except Jacobson) is hardly anything to cry home about.
Remember, Robertson has seven years experience coaching against these players. The two previous play off games against the Crusaders (final and semi final, Sotutu and Akira were treated like literal children by the crusaders forward pack. They were atrocious.
Why would Robertson select a player that has the mental strength of a piece of wet cardboard when he plays a player has big as he is? Sotutu was thrown around like a rag doll by Matera. What do you think would happen against South Africa, England, Ireland etc?
Like Akira, he’s a flat track bully
lets also ignore we've also seen 9 tests this year where we've seen little gelling of the loose forward trio
if the selected guys had all fired (and one wasn;t retiring and the big name very hit and miss) then sure....but the AB's loosies need "something"...and the best No8 (on stats...and you know......awarded SR player of the year) in SR isn;t there....its not revisionist to suggest we should be trying him
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@canefan said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks EOYT:
The revisionist nonsense with Sotutu on this forum is nuts. One good super rugby season where the next best loose forward trio was a young and inexperienced chiefs trio (except Jacobson) is hardly anything to cry home about.
Remember, Robertson has seven years experience coaching against these players. The two previous play off games against the Crusaders (final and semi final, Sotutu and Akira were treated like literal children by the crusaders forward pack. They were atrocious.
Why would Robertson select a player that has the mental strength of a piece of wet cardboard when he plays a player has big as he is? Sotutu was thrown around like a rag doll by Matera. What do you think would happen against South Africa, England, Ireland etc?
Like Akira, he’s a flat track bully
Sititi goes alright after getting bullied from pillar to post by Akira and Sotutu in the SR Final this year or does that not count?
Clearly not. And NPC form overrides SR form apparently
Rob Valentini also got bullied by Akira this year too. Not gonna slag Valentini off though as he's still a World Class player, he just got outplayed by his opposite twice in SR this year, as did Sititi in the SR final. Both fine players however and it doesn't make them any better or worse as players.
People love to find ways not to pick players.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
If Robertsons aim was to rile up blues supporters on the silverfern forum then he’s onto a winner. I’m going to judge the tour on results.
Well I'm judging the RC on the results, worst ever
