All Blacks EOYT
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Defence is at least 50% of the game so yeah we disagree.
Your argument is only valid if Dmacs tackling percentage was absolutely abysmal (below 60). But instead he's barely below Plummer and right in the middle of the stack of NZ 10s and MAJOR European 10s while offering an insane amount of positives on the attacking/creating/goal kicking front above all the 10s mentioned.
So yeah it's not even close.
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@Jet said in All Blacks EOYT:
A lot of players living a charmed life which historically is not the Allblack way
Incorrect, it has been this was for many years now where it is harder to get dropped, particularly completely from the squad once you have been selected.
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I've been pottering away all day not realising the team has been released.
Akira's instagram makes more sense now from a timing perspective. Seriously fuck Ryan, and all their selective both sides of the ball bullshit.
On the flipside, Finau is rated much higher than many on the Fern were claiming.
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@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz pretty quiet on that points scored stat?
Here are the stats when each 10 played for their team this season.
Blues (Perofeta)
Points per game - 28.8
Tries per game - 4.2Blues (Plummer)
Points per game - 38.4
Tries per game - 5.7Chiefs (Dmac)
Points per game - 33.3
Tries per game - 4.1Here are more stats around the context of each teams ratio of tries not involving the 10 DIRECTLY, ie directly attributed to the forward pack.
Blues (Perofeta)
% of Tries from pick and go/maul - 44%Blues (Plummer)
% of Tries from pick and go/maul - 57%Chiefs (Dmac)
% of Tries from pick and go/maul - 23%We can even compare the % of tries scored where the 10 TOUCHES the ball in the sequence leading to the try (within 2 breakdowns).
Blues (Perofeta)
% of Tries directly involved in - 24%Blues (Plummer)
% of Tries directly involved in - 11%Chiefs (Dmac)
% of Tries directly involved in - 57%The Blues under Plummer scored more points/tries but it was also further along the season (with Perofeta starting the first 6 games) where the Blues perfected their extremely direct attack shape. They would attack right next to the breakdown with their forwards and halfback passing onto one off runners, as well as utilizing their maul.
It feels disingenuous to attribute the Blues efficiency in attack to Plummer when the data suggests he is barely directly involved in any of the scoring plays, or is even utilized at all.
You can see that in the carries/passes per game from each 10.
Perofeta
Carries per game - 10.8
Passes per game - 21Plummer
Carries per game - 6.4
Passes per game - 13Dmac
Carries per game - 8.3
Passes per game - 27Plummer has less contributions all around in every department. It was obvious to anyone watching the Blues this year that their attack was centered around their superior forward pack. So I found it laughable to hear all this Plummer hype and the Blues success attributed to him.
Also remembering even with the least contributions Plummer still makes more mistakes(turnovers) than Dmac per game even though Dmac is massively utilized and involved in nearly every Chiefs scoring play.
Considering the way Razor also wants to play and use the ball and use width, Plummer doesn't fit that mould in any way when you look at the role he's played at the Blues this year.
Fact is Plummer was always just going to be injury cover until Perofeta got back.
In light of the squad announcement, considering these stats it's not surprising at all that Plummer hasnt made the 36 man squad, and wouldn't be surprised if Jacomb gets the spot ahead of him in the XVs squad tomorrow as well.
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
His positives are so "insane" that he has a test win % of 79%. Not to be sniffed at.
But it's lower than the 90%+ plus that the All Blacks were recording a few years ago and South Africa and Ireland are achieving at the moment.
You're using the team winning percentage now as your argument???
Thanks, I now know George Bridge is a vastly superior winger to Jonah Lomu due to his higher test winning percentage
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If Robertsons aim was to rile up blues supporters on the silverfern forum then he’s onto a winner. I’m going to judge the tour on results.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
Considering the way Razor also wants to play and use the ball and use width, Plummer doesn't fit that mould in any way when you look at the role he's played at the Blues this year.
I think the question then comes why are we so wedded to one particular style only (not in relation to Plummer - just in general).
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
If Robertsons aim was to rile up blues supporters on the silverfern forum then he’s onto a winner. I’m going to judge the tour on results.
Just like we did about the Rugby Championship. The criticism is not unwarrented.
Shipping 38 points to Argentina is hugely embarassing.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
If Robertsons aim was to rile up blues supporters on the silverfern forum then he’s onto a winner. I’m going to judge the tour on results.
Just like we did about the Rugby Championship. The criticism is not unwarrented.
Shipping 38 points to Argentina is hugely embarassing.
I totally agree. I’m not defending that result. However if we have a successful EOYT then I’ll be happy enough overall for a first year in charge. That is no gimme: France Poms Ireland at home.
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I feel dirty, but I have just read a Stuff article on the AB squad and there was not one mention of Sotutu's continued absence, either in the article or in the comments. What's going on over there? Is Razor getting a free ride from the press? Is it just the Fern getting hot under the collar about it?
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The revisionist nonsense with Sotutu on this forum is nuts. One good super rugby season where the next best loose forward trio was a young and inexperienced chiefs trio (except Jacobson) is hardly anything to cry home about.
Remember, Robertson has seven years experience coaching against these players. The two previous play off games against the Crusaders (final and semi final, Sotutu and Akira were treated like literal children by the crusaders forward pack. They were atrocious.
Why would Robertson select a player that has the mental strength of a piece of wet cardboard when he plays a player has big as he is? Sotutu was thrown around like a rag doll by Matera. What do you think would happen against South Africa, England, Ireland etc?
Like Akira, he’s a flat track bully
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@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks EOYT:
The revisionist nonsense with Sotutu on this forum is nuts. One good super rugby season where the next best loose forward trio was a young and inexperienced chiefs trio (except Jacobson) is hardly anything to cry home about.
Remember, Robertson has seven years experience coaching against these players. The two previous play off games against the Crusaders (final and semi final, Sotutu and Akira were treated like literal children by the crusaders forward pack. They were atrocious.
Why would Robertson select a player that has the mental strength of a piece of wet cardboard when he plays a player has big as he is? Sotutu was thrown around like a rag doll by Matera. What do you think would happen against South Africa, England, Ireland etc?
Like Akira, he’s a flat track bully
Sititi goes alright after getting bullied from pillar to post by Akira and Sotutu in the SR Final this year or does that not count?
