All Blacks EOYT
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.
Word is he will be in AB XV
Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.
He’ll be fabian in the XV.
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I've compiled these stats from the following source (https://www.espn.com/rugby/scoreboard/_/league/242041)
This was following a discussion in another thread regarding Perofeta/Plummer.
Just some stats (yes they don't tell you the full picture etc etc) covering Dmac/Plummer/Perofeta and their super rugby season. (only using Perofetas games at 10)
Try assists per game
Dmac - 0.375
Perofeta - 0.33
Plummer - 0.27Metres made per carry
Dmac - 6.1
Perofeta - 6.1
Plummer - 4.5Linebreaks made per carry
Perofeta - 0.11
Dmac - 0.07
Plummer - 0.03Defenders beaten per carry
Dmac - 0.36
Perofeta - 0.26
Plummer - 0.19Tackle %
Plummer - 85%
Perofeta - 83%
Dmac - 75%Turnovers conceded per game
Perofeta - 1.5
Plummer - 1.2
Dmac - 1.06Kick %
Dmac - 85%
Plummer - 74%
Perofeta - 66%According to this (caveat that these are assumptions based on the statistics provided and do not guarantee anything)..
Dmac is the best ball in hand with defenders beaten, creates the most for others, is the best kicker by quite a margin, and actually makes the least mistakes (turnovers) per game. He's also the worst tackler (not a horrible tackler but the worst out of the 3, pretty much average tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season).
Perofeta is the worst kicker by far, makes the most mistakes (turnovers), decent tackler, but also very good ball in hand and the most effective at creating linebreaks.
Plummer is the worst ball in hand by quite a margin, creates the least, is the best tackler, is a worse kicker and makes more mistakes than Dmac but is a better kicker and makes less mistakes than Perofeta.
Perofeta/Plummer have the top tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season.
This may be useless to people, stats miss many intangibles on the field etc. Just thought some of the data points would be interesting for some.
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@pakman said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.
Word is he will be in AB XV
Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.
He’ll be fabian in the XV.
If razor needs to borrow him for the ABs will he tell Clayton to pass the dutchie?
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
I think Plummers underwhelming attacking stats while also making the most mistakes (turnovers) per game is more damning personally.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Source - https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/01/club-rugby-stats-hub
Tackling % 2024 Super Rugby
Blues
Perofeta - 83%
Plummer - 83%Chiefs
McKenzie - 75%Crusaders
Fergus Burke - 71%
Riley Hohepa - 76%
Rivez Reihana - 80%Highlanders
Ajay Faleafaga - 67%
Cameron Millar - 80%Hurricanes
Brett Cameron 62%
Ruben Love 70% -
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
A poor defending 10 is a millstone around a team's neck if you are playing a side with decent ball-carriers.
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
But that's just not true. We have the stats for the European 10s from the last season as well from that same source.
Ireland
Jack Crowley - 89%
Ciaran Frawley - 79%
Harry Byrne - 73%France
Romain Ntamack - 88%
Matthieu Jallibert - 66%England
George Ford - 85%
Marcus Smith - 74%Scotland
Finn Russell - 71%It's not like Dmac would stick out here in any way compared to some of the numbers present.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
But that's just not true. We have the stats for the European 10s from the last season as well from that same source.
Ireland
Jack Crowley - 89%
Ciaran Frawley - 79%
Harry Byrne - 73%France
Romain Ntamack - 88%
Matthieu Jallibert - 66%England
George Ford - 85%
Marcus Smith - 74%Scotland
Finn Russell - 71%It's not like Dmac would stick out here in any way compared to some of the numbers present.
They are more than 10% worse than the top 10 for three of the four nations you mention. And I really hope the All Blacks aren't going to lose to Scotland any time soon.
You want to be entertained. I don't want my side to lose. These days the NZR thinks like you.
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
But that's just not true. We have the stats for the European 10s from the last season as well from that same source.
Ireland
Jack Crowley - 89%
Ciaran Frawley - 79%
Harry Byrne - 73%France
Romain Ntamack - 88%
Matthieu Jallibert - 66%England
George Ford - 85%
Marcus Smith - 74%Scotland
Finn Russell - 71%It's not like Dmac would stick out here in any way compared to some of the numbers present.
They are more than 10% worse than the top 10 for three of the four nations you mention. And I really hope the All Blacks aren't going to lose to Scotland any time soon.
You want to be entertained. I don't want my side to lose. These days the NZR thinks like you.
It sounds like you're shifting the goal posts now. You claimed Dmacs tackling percentage is unheard of in 'major European competitions', yet every player I named there is leading MAJOR European clubs/countries in Europe today in the Champions cup and their respective leagues. These players are all in starting Six Nations 23 man squads.
You cant just cherry pick the top tacklers here while ignoring half the list that has a worse tackling percentage and claim it proves Dmacs inadequacy vs northern teams.
And if you are saying you'd drop Dmac for his tackling percentage (which is 75 to Plummers 83) and in turn take all of Plummers negatives (worse kicker, more turnovers/mistakes, inferior by a massive margin on attack) then we just fundamentally disagree.
I'm not taking a vastly inferior player in nearly every metric because his tackling percentage is 7% higher.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Speaking of double dutch how big is his younger brother Quentin who apparently is a well built lock/6 himself?
Much shorter (relatively speaking).
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks EOYT:
@pakman said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.
Word is he will be in AB XV
Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.
He’ll be fabian in the XV.
If razor needs to borrow him for the ABs will he tell Clayton to pass the dutchie?
Only if he packs down on the left hand side
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Speaking of double dutch how big is his younger brother Quentin who apparently is a well built lock/6 himself?
Much shorter (relatively speaking).
A similar size to Oil Haig/Will Stodart. More primarily a six than a lock.
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Linebreak assist is a good one for playmakers.
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I'm expecting Plummer to be in the AB XV before looking at any stats.
I think Plummers kicking stats improved a lot near the business end ofnthe season.
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@MN5 just went to school to eat his lunch and play rugby is what I’ve heard. Not the sharpest tool in the shed. Needs time. Amazing athlete
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Dmac completed more tackles per 80 minutes than any other NZ 10 to play more than 5 games.
Completed per 80 minutes
6.57 Mckenzie
5.26 Ioane
4.85 PlummerMckenize, Plummer, and Perofeta are the top 3 for total.
Total completed tackles:
83 Mckenzie
71 Plummer
33 Perofeta -
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I'd be surprised if Sotutu is in the mix for either squad.
Suafoa and Lio Willie were preferred last year in NZ XV
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If Sotutu plays for England rather than fighting for his place back, maybe the coaches were right.
Jeez, imagine if Kaino had decided to go and have a sulk rather than work hard at developing his game following rejection. Not once, but twice.
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Nah that's BS.
He'll never get selected again. There is an obvious feud happening between him and Ryan.
Sotutus defence has never been as bad as Canes has in the last few games. The double standards are obvious.
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@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Is that even real?
I don't see that on instagram.
Seems fake.
I saw it on Akira’s insta
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Even if he is not going to England, good on Ioane keeping the shit stirring going, much more interesting. Or it is a great fake news
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Fucking hell, Akira throwing bombs with that one.
I assume its an inside joke (i.e., playing for England wasn't meant to be) as there will and should be a riot if Sotutu isn’t picked.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
Fucking hell, Akira throwing bombs with that one.
I assume its an inside joke as there will and should be a riot if Sotutu isn’t picked.
That doesn't read like a joke to me
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
Fucking hell, Akira throwing bombs with that one.
I assume its an inside joke as there will and should be a riot if Sotutu isn’t picked.
That doesn't read like a joke to me
Me neither, it’s great isn’t it?
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If the ABs don't pick the best loose forward in the country, which IMO is Sotutu by some margin, then they prove how crap they really are.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks EOYT:
If the ABs don't pick the best loose forward in the country, which IMO is Sotutu by some margin, then they prove how crap they really are.
Sititi is better than Sotutu based off recent matches.
I think Razor picked a really good one in Sititi and should be given credit. (one of his few innovative picks)
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@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks EOYT:
If the ABs don't pick the best loose forward in the country, which IMO is Sotutu by some margin, then they prove how crap they really are.
Sititi is better than Sotutu based off recent matches.
Based on the Tests Sotutu hasn't played?
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Sititi along with rest of the Chiefs forwards got dominated in the SR final.
Sititi grew into the game against SA after struggling with the physicality. Ultimately his efforts did not make a difference in that game.
The other two games were against Wallabies. A team which posters regularly claimed were meaningless for other players like Ioane back in 2021 even though back then the Wallabies were a lot better.
The jury is still out on Sititi but I would say that Sotutu and Sititi have different strengths anyway.
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African Monkeyreplied to brodean on 7 Oct 2024, 00:00 last edited by African Monkey 7 Oct 2024, 00:06
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Nah that's BS.
He'll never get selected again. There is an obvious feud happening between him and Ryan.
Sotutus defence has never been as bad as Canes has in the last few games. The double standards are obvious.
Yeah nothing to do with the "oh, if he knuckles down and works hard, he'll get his chance eventually" bullshit.
It's pretty obvious that they have no time for him, otherwise they would have tried to work on the things they don't like about his play in the camp, as opposed to shafting him completely to play some semi professional rugby which he will learn nothing from.
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@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Dmac completed more tackles per 80 minutes than any other NZ 10 to play more than 5 games.
Completed per 80 minutes
6.57 Mckenzie
5.26 Ioane
4.85 PlummerMckenize, Plummer, and Perofeta are the top 3 for total.
Total completed tackles:
83 Mckenzie
71 Plummer
33 PerofetaI'm making my way through the thread and was going to ask for these types of stats. DMac is a fearless tackler and he's always tackling up in the line, of course he's going to miss some on size alone.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks EOYT:
If the ABs don't pick the best loose forward in the country, which IMO is Sotutu by some margin, then they prove how crap they really are.
Sititi is better than Sotutu based off recent matches.
Based on the Tests Sotutu hasn't played?
Based off Sititi's efforts against the Wallabies vs Sotutu's efforts in NPC.
Sotutu - if he is so good - should be absolutely dominating this lower tier of rugby. He isn't.
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