All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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i cant help but wonder whats going on in the background, is he being told that because people like savea and BB have resigned they have to be at least int he quad, we did spend all the money for nothing kind of shit
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yep this match is kinda a send off. Not the ruthless selectorial process we have seen historically.
They should've trusted the young fullas more this year and given game time.I can't imagine Fred Allen giving players a send off other than "you're bloody useless" if they asked why they weren't selected.
The parameters are a bit different though eh. Needles coached the ABs for 14 tests over 3 years and wasn't handed a pile of shite.
Things I learned today: A RWC finalist = a pile of shite.
We're looking like replicating the 1963–64 Tour...
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
i cant help but wonder whats going on in the background, is he being told that because people like savea and BB have resigned they have to be at least int he quad, we did spend all the money for nothing kind of shit
Maybe sponsors want them in the team
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This thread is just a hive of negativity and frankly quite boring to read. I’ll limit my comments to congratulating cane on reaching 100 tests. Thought it was all over after the RWC but it’s been a decent enough return. Certainly not the reason we keep fading with 20 to go.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.
I don't think the ABs have the best players in the world. We're the 2nd or 3rd best at the moment... if you were to make a combined team with the 2015 squad, how many of these guys get in there?
de Groot over Woodcock?
Taylor would be the only other forward and none of the backs are anywhere near it.You don’t know 2015 is considered the best rugby side of all time?
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.
I don't think the ABs have the best players in the world. We're the 2nd or 3rd best at the moment... if you were to make a combined team with the 2015 squad, how many of these guys get in there?
de Groot over Woodcock?
Taylor would be the only other forward and none of the backs are anywhere near it.You don’t know 2015 is considered the best rugby side of all time?
That's my point. People are setting unrealistic expectations of this team. They are good, but not the best in the world.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
This thread is just a hive of negativity and frankly quite boring to read. I’ll limit my comments to congratulating cane on reaching 100 tests. Thought it was all over after the RWC but it’s been a decent enough return. Certainly not the reason we keep fading with 20 to go.
I've been posting here for 20+ years and the sky has pretty much forever been falling. Usually it's a lot more Chicken Little than James Bond!
I did have to check the Competitions section recently to see that no-one was running a comp on the most negative spin possible (and the hottest and wildest take).
Here's positive spin for you.
Razor's lost two games to the World Champions (in their den) and once to the losing RWC semi-finalists. He must burn in hell!
The Master-Coach Rassie has lost to the same losing semi-finalist and a losing quarter-finalist. Bow down!!!
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
This thread is just a hive of negativity and frankly quite boring to read.
I'll offer some positivity: I hope Sam and TJ have storming games. Cane for his milestone and TJ because it's his last, at home in front of family and friends.
On TJ; at his best he's a phenomenal rugby player and to come back from his injury is a testament to his drive and professionalism. I hope on Saturday he winds back the years and has a test to remember.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Having minimal backup Ist five cover after DMac for the rest of the year is a risk.
We have Havilli. He played their ( and lost ) for the Crusaders which makes him more than capable back up
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.
I don't think the ABs have the best players in the world. We're the 2nd or 3rd best at the moment... if you were to make a combined team with the 2015 squad, how many of these guys get in there?
de Groot over Woodcock?
Taylor would be the only other forward and none of the backs are anywhere near it.You don’t know 2015 is considered the best rugby side of all time?
And if Sam Whitelock didn't steal that lineout off Victor, maybe the Jaapies would have forced a penalty, beaten us, stormed to the title. Completed a three-peat. And we'd be sad mofos looking at 5-2 RWC's - with one of ours that they were barred from!
Fine margins.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I have a feeling DH will play so well off the bench they take him and play him at 12 on the EOYT...grrr.
He's from Ta$man. As @Kiwimurph will tell you, we're the masters of the last minute kick to win!
Fozzie's greatest mistake was putting ALB instead of DH on the RWC Final bench.
Sub him on with 8 minutes to go!
BOOM - that's how it's done Jordie!
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Landers92 your inside oil was on the money.
That 23 is laughably conservative.
Yup pretty bloody reliable. Always a little unsure posting it in here when you see a few names but all you can do is trust the old reliable and share it. I’ll always throw info/team details in here as I hear it as it’s yet to be incorrect info and creates some good chat.
The fern knew the backline 2 days before the rest of the world did!
do you know why the forwards weren't known, waiting on injury news perhaps?
Source wasn’t able to get that information other than Tuipolotu was likely back in the mix.
The rest were unchanged, so not huge news.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@NTA Ehmed has looked good on NH highlights reels.
Have watched a bit of him going around. Kicking well, generally speaking, and not afraid to take on the line.
Hard to get a gauge of how he's going to run around next year, given the competition for spots. Maybe he could shift into a second five role at the Tahs?
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.
I don't think the ABs have the best players in the world. We're the 2nd or 3rd best at the moment... if you were to make a combined team with the 2015 squad, how many of these guys get in there?
de Groot over Woodcock?
Taylor would be the only other forward and none of the backs are anywhere near it.You don’t know 2015 is considered the best rugby side of all time?
That's my point. People are setting unrealistic expectations of this team. They are good, but not the best in the world.
How many all blacks would make a world XV is always a good question. I'd suggest you could argue zero right now, which makes it a big ask to be the best team in the world.
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On reflection, given the TRC squad not sure the selectors had much choice with the 23.
Once Vaa’i’s shoulder fine the tight five pick themselves. If you want a shoulder on the field at all times and don’t start Finau (for me not a bench player) then Cane and Jacobson only choices. Ideally it would be Sititi or RD at 8, but then who at 6 if Nighles not a hund
In backs makes sense to give Beaudy a run at 10. Maximise by TJS at 9 in CakeTin.
So WJ and Reece to 14 for combo (BTW Telea hasn’t had a start at his favoured 14). Proctor inexperienced at 12 so AlB there and Havili on bench.
Bell and Hotham too green so rest of bench can’t really be criticised.
Bottom line being that TWM are reaping the rewards of a seriously flawed TRC squad selection!
TBC….
