All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@ABStats said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I would love the GPS data, however for tackle stats, carries and metres run, RugbyPass is pretty accurate.
A few guys here have access to Opta so can probably comment on that better than I, however I believe Rugbypass doesn't have ruck attendance, cleans etc.
It annoys the shit out of me because, like you, I'd like to get a feel for the data. However, with huge areas of the game not covered by the available stats, I'm not sure the ones we can access are that useful.
Rugby says 'fuck you and your desire for fan engagement!'
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Completely agree.
I remember a long time back when one writer used to publish first 3 to a ruck stats for the ABs, I would argue that stat is no longer relevant. Ruck ball is typically won with an accurate first clean due to the pace of the game and the structures played these days. The third person to a ruck typically just leans on it now.
The stats I would love to see is time on the ground / time taken to regain feet. From what I have heard those stats have consistently ruled some loosies out of the squad in recent years.
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@ABStats said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Completely agree.
I remember a long time back when one writer used to publish first 3 to a ruck stats for the ABs, I would argue that stat is no longer relevant. Ruck ball is typically won with an accurate first clean due to the pace of the game and the structures played these days. The third person to a ruck typically just leans on it now.
The stats I would love to see is time on the ground / time taken to regain feet. From what I have heard those stats have consistently ruled some loosies out of the squad in recent years.
That's what the canterbury mafia here is saying about Sotutu.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I had forgotten that Finau only got 57 minutes in the first test and 49 in the 2nd. That skews his stats big time. It's frustrating that they have gone with Blackadder at 6 as that both fucked the balance and has meant Finau wasn't able to grow at this level. "Not great but not terrible" is actually OK against England given his age and experience, and he clearly has the talent and physical attributes to go very well there.
It seems like a combination of Crusader bias and a love of Sam Cane that is screwing the balance at the moment. If Blackadder plays, it has to be at 7 as that is where you want your tackler. But they've immediately gone to Cane since his return from injury so their chosen one has to slot in at 6, and having two of the same player out there was never going to work.
Cane can't leave soon enough. It will force Razor to make changes
I think this will be his last test match.
Gets to his 100 and soyonara.
I’m convinced that his mgmt team has done a deal to get him to a 100 so the NZR can get him off the books
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I had forgotten that Finau only got 57 minutes in the first test and 49 in the 2nd. That skews his stats big time. It's frustrating that they have gone with Blackadder at 6 as that both fucked the balance and has meant Finau wasn't able to grow at this level. "Not great but not terrible" is actually OK against England given his age and experience, and he clearly has the talent and physical attributes to go very well there.
It seems like a combination of Crusader bias and a love of Sam Cane that is screwing the balance at the moment. If Blackadder plays, it has to be at 7 as that is where you want your tackler. But they've immediately gone to Cane since his return from injury so their chosen one has to slot in at 6, and having two of the same player out there was never going to work.
Cane can't leave soon enough. It will force Razor to make changes
I think this will be his last test match.
Gets to his 100 and soyonara.
I’m convinced that his mgmt team has done a deal to get him to a 100 so the NZR can get him off the books
And Razor just has to play along? Most un-AB like
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I had forgotten that Finau only got 57 minutes in the first test and 49 in the 2nd. That skews his stats big time. It's frustrating that they have gone with Blackadder at 6 as that both fucked the balance and has meant Finau wasn't able to grow at this level. "Not great but not terrible" is actually OK against England given his age and experience, and he clearly has the talent and physical attributes to go very well there.
It seems like a combination of Crusader bias and a love of Sam Cane that is screwing the balance at the moment. If Blackadder plays, it has to be at 7 as that is where you want your tackler. But they've immediately gone to Cane since his return from injury so their chosen one has to slot in at 6, and having two of the same player out there was never going to work.
Cane can't leave soon enough. It will force Razor to make changes
I think this will be his last test match.
Gets to his 100 and soyonara.
I’m convinced that his mgmt team has done a deal to get him to a 100 so the NZR can get him off the books
And Razor just has to play along? Most un-AB like
Of course I had nothing to back up my claim but just a hunch
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
With Jordie injured and ALB stinking out the joint 12 is looking REALLY bad all of a sudden.
Don't worry, DH is in the squad.
It's possible considering JB is probably injured and ALB didn't play well. Or a surprise selection of Plummer at 12, him and RI have played together a lot
I'd like to see ALB/RI play after having a full week training together though
I'd rather have DH at 12. He at least had some experience.
And the Fern meltdown will be an opportunity to reduce my popcorn stockpile.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I had forgotten that Finau only got 57 minutes in the first test and 49 in the 2nd. That skews his stats big time. It's frustrating that they have gone with Blackadder at 6 as that both fucked the balance and has meant Finau wasn't able to grow at this level. "Not great but not terrible" is actually OK against England given his age and experience, and he clearly has the talent and physical attributes to go very well there.
It seems like a combination of Crusader bias and a love of Sam Cane that is screwing the balance at the moment. If Blackadder plays, it has to be at 7 as that is where you want your tackler. But they've immediately gone to Cane since his return from injury so their chosen one has to slot in at 6, and having two of the same player out there was never going to work.
Cane can't leave soon enough. It will force Razor to make changes
I think this will be his last test match.
Gets to his 100 and soyonara.
I’m convinced that his mgmt team has done a deal to get him to a 100 so the NZR can get him off the books
And Razor just has to play along? Most un-AB like
Of course I had nothing to back up my claim but just a hunch
I remember in Razor's puff piece doco, he talked about Dropping Wyatt Crockett (?). So the implication was that he is quite able to drop a player if they aren't performing, regardless of reputation
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I'd rather have DH at 12.
Havili should be nowhere near ABs XV, let alone ABs squad. We need to move on from these weak, old, slow, flawed players. I can't beleive anyone would suggest this.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I'd rather have DH at 12.
Havili should be nowhere near ABs XV, let alone ABs squad. We need to move on from these weak, old, slow, flawed players. I can't beleive anyone would suggest this.
I should have added an irony klaxon. My bad..
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Well folks, the much anticipated post is here. You can all stop with the backline predictions and start chatting about this weekends backline that you’ll see below. I was unable to get the forward pack but have heard that Tuipolotu is a real chance to be in the 23 this week.
Again, and as I usually say, a very reliable source who hasn’t led me astray yet. If it’s wrong I’ll own it.
If there are any late week updates in regards to the team, I’ll post that in this thread.
Backline for this weekend as follows.
- T.Perenara
- B.Barrett
- C.Clarke
- A. Lienart-Brown
- R.Ioane
- S.Reece
- W.Jordan
Bench
21. C.Ratima
22. D.Mckenzie
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Well folks, you can all stop with the backline predictions and start chatting about this weekends backline that you’ll see below. I was unable to get the forward pack but have heard that Tuipolotu is a real chance to be in the 23 this week.
Again and as I usually say, a very reliable source who hasn’t led me astray yet. If it’s wrong I’ll own it.
If there are any late week updates in regards to the team, I’ll post that in this thread.
Backline for this weekend as follows.
- T.Perenara
- B.Barrett
- C.Clarke
- A. Lienart-Brown
- R.Ioane
- S.Reece
- W.Jordan
Bench
21. C.Ratima
22. D.Mckenzie
23. D.HaviliIf that's legit, then that's a retrograde step IMHO
Although Cortez and DMac coming on could solve the last 20 mins problem
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@MiketheSnow Hasn’t been wrong yet mate so pretty reliable. Some interesting decisions, that’s for sure.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Well folks, the much anticipated post is here. You can all stop with the backline predictions and start chatting about this weekends backline that you’ll see below. I was unable to get the forward pack but have heard that Tuipolotu is a real chance to be in the 23 this week.
Again, and as I usually say, a very reliable source who hasn’t led me astray yet. If it’s wrong I’ll own it.
If there are any late week updates in regards to the team, I’ll post that in this thread.
Backline for this weekend as follows.
- T.Perenara
- B.Barrett
- C.Clarke
- A. Lienart-Brown
- R.Ioane
- S.Reece
- W.Jordan
Bench
21. C.Ratima
22. D.Mckenzie
23. D.HaviliUgh. That's unimaginative
I'm picking
Ratima, Plummer, Clarke, ALB, R Ioane, Jordan, BB. Bench TJP, DMac, anyone but DH
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You’ve really got to feel for a guy like Billy Proctor. Toiled away all season and hasn’t put a foot wrong. Got his game against Fiji and played brilliant. A spot opens up due to a midfield injury and theres a chance he can play his first game in NZ for the AB’s at home in Wellington…. Only for that bench spot go to David Havili. Yikes.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
You’ve really got to feel for a guy like Billy Proctor. Toiled away all season and hasn’t put a foot wrong. Got his game against Fiji and played brilliant. A spot opens up due to a midfield injury and theres a chase he can play his first game in NZ for the AB’s at home in Wellington…. Only for that bench spot go to David Havili. Yikes.
I think he pays for the fact that he’s not real 2nd five cover.
I feel for him but until he can show he covers 12, he feels like a starter or not in the 23 (unless ALB starts at 13).
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
You’ve really got to feel for a guy like Billy Proctor. Toiled away all season and hasn’t put a foot wrong. Got his game against Fiji and played brilliant. A spot opens up due to a midfield injury and theres a chase he can play his first game in NZ for the AB’s at home in Wellington…. Only for that bench spot go to David Havili. Yikes.
I think he pays for the fact that he’s not real 2nd five cover.
I feel for him but until he can show he covers 12, he feels like a starter or not in the 23 (unless ALB starts at 13).
I'd argue DH isn't real 12 cover either.... Or will he continue to dine out on one game in Joburg about 3 years ago
