All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
We look like we can score at will. But our D is soft and and scrum is ineffective.
Yeah what has happened to our scrum???
Poor refereeing. Tupou can't take a hit, folds like a bitch and as a result EdG overextends. Tupou should be penalised off the park for intentionally collapsing.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Cane has the worst dummy pass in international rugby.
Worse than Ardie's stupid fake pass?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Cane has the worst dummy pass in international rugby.
Worse than Ardie's stupid fake pass?
Ardie's worked once, didn't it?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
why is Cane still there?
Because Sititi can't do it all by himself.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
A proper 9 qnd 10
TJ and Beaudy were everything we feared in this game. Especially TJ - absolute dogshit.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Tosi is a monster, fuck he's good
Sititi, Tosi, Hotham, Darry, Ratima, Proctor didn’t fluff their lines when given their chances.
And our experienced guys stank the place up.
Savea and SB and Taylor (good all year) were ok tonight.
Savea was very average. But I was more talking about TJ, cane, and BB.
Not Savea of old but he had some good carries and I think put in quite a few tackles (haven't seen the stats).
LOL. He was practically anonymous. Laughable that he gets to start at 8.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Not Savea of old but he had some good carries and I think put in quite a few tackles (haven't seen the stats).
LOL. He was practically anonymous. Laughable that he gets to start at 8.
19 tackles. https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-player-ratings-vs-australia-bledisloe-cup-ii/
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Cane missed at least one tackle for failing to cover the channel from a lineout. So we are lacking speed on defence. The Wallabies seemed to run through us far too easily, something the Boks had a harder time doing generally
I think he alluded to it in the post match chat with Joey Wheeler that he's too slow.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Not Savea of old but he had some good carries and I think put in quite a few tackles (haven't seen the stats).
LOL. He was practically anonymous. Laughable that he gets to start at 8.
19 tackles. https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-player-ratings-vs-australia-bledisloe-cup-ii/
I wouldn't have chosen him to start at 8 but he wasn't terrible.Does that soft piece of shit on the try line where McReight went over him count in the 19?
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Ardie had a great game. Defensively, one of the best. Watch who was getting the line speed and making the most tackles when the Aussies were attacking in the first half.
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A few thoughts from the game:
Would it be worth switching the prop combinations up? The reserves look good, so maybe Lomax+Williams to start and De Groot+Tosi to finish (or the other way around) - just to balance the tight 5 ball running out a bit better.
Vaai was still good, but a little untidier than his last couple of games. Scott Barrett isn't a good captain, but played a bit better this week. Pat T was good off the bench, I still hope (but question) we'll see that consistently against the bigger packs.
Of the other tight forwards, congrats to Sam Cane on 100, try to stick to the fatties and avoid those mismatches mate.Loosies.
Sititi is a man possessed out there at times, the workrate is very impressive and what a relief to have a ball runner in the pack again. Still a few mistakes, and I'm pretty sure he was the lifter in the lineouts we cocked up, but he can play and well and truly showed up the others. Cane - slow, defensive errors and penalties. Ardie is the real 'busy but ineffective' guy. It's really hard to not just think 'chuck all the young guys in' when you watch that game. I think what Sititi is doing shows we are way too conservative - if you gave someone like Aumua 60 minutes starting instead of 15 off the bench I think you'd start to see his super form reflected too.The backs.
Well Tj was poor. I was wanting to be all nice and give him his due as a really good defensive halfback and support runner, but if that's experience then no thanks.
Whoever mentioned end-of-QF broken Sexton as a BB comparison is bang on the money. Just jogs and shovels it on, doesn't put anyone in a gap, doesn't take the line on, doesn't look like he has any idea how to beat the defence. The instant McKenzie came on the backs looked far more dangerous.
ALB was really good, can pass. Rieko... I think I've had enough of now - can't seem to make pretty standard passes.
Clarke really good, but another dumb card? At first borderline accidental, but picking it up and pretending that you can play on?
Reece a better game, but still not my preference.
Jordan so much better than BB. Yes he still has the blinkers on and fuck do I yell at the screen when he looks to kick every single fucking time he makes a break, but he is so far ahead of the other options it's not funny. -
Good summary.
I agree that they've been a bit too conservative especially around Cane and TJ.
However you can't really extrapolate what Sititi has delivered to include all of the other noobs.
For me there are only two freakish talents in the squad out of the new guys. 1 is Sititi and the other is Tosi.
I'd be extremely disappointed if they went back to Blackadder over Sititi and Newell over Tosi but you'd have to say that is a genuine possibility.
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@brodean For sure not everyone is going to kill it, but the new guys have just about all played well - and just about all better than the veterans they've been competing with.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
, it's only Taylor who has really stood up to me.
after early wobbles in the lineouts vs England, I generally agree. Still has a nasty habit of losing the ball inside the opposition 22 when carrying.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus Sort of.
Australia were lucky to keep it close yesterday. I can't see them doing that two weeks in a row. Australia at home is the most straight-forward fixture of the AB's season.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus Sort of.
Australia were lucky to keep it close yesterday. I can't see them doing that two weeks in a row. Australia at home is the most straight-forward fixture of the AB's season.
and you were right.
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10 still a tricky one for me.
But it comes back to the fact the we shouldnt have to coach basic skills/tactics in the ABs.
Why dont we have a group of tens who can play test style rugby?
Maybe super is now so low grade you dont need to hone those skills because if you just keep throwing pases you can score.
I'm not sold on BB or Damian but seriously not sure who else can play at test match pressure. Maybe Plummer? They'll be testing him at training and maybe hes not quite there yet.
