Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Jet fitness of the starters isn’t the issue. Lomax and Williams were both going well past 60 mins. Taylor went 80.
The issue is that the quality coming off the bench is unable to maintain the levels of the starting XV. ABs bench used to raise the performance levels in last 20. If that were the case today, the game was there to be won.
One of the keys for Robertson is to find the right mix of bench players to inject impetus and maintain performance, or even better, raise it to get that late game surge working again.
The other is to stop the mistakes. Sometimes there is a time to play. Sometimes there is a time to work from set piece to set piece and be patient. Patience is lacking in the ABs right now and it shows in the leaders.
The good news is that the current AB team and coaches were not far from winning both tests in SA against the reigning world champs and current leading SH nation. ABs have been measured and have seen their limitations. Now the major work starts.
Aggree with you pretty well completely mate, funnily enough with @Jet as well, I had wondered when I went back to bed whether Love at 15 would be worth a look, with Jordan,Ioane and Clarke fighting wing spot? Perhap Proctor at 13, like ALB, but genuinely thinking of changing up.
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@Hooroo said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
How fucking poke is Talea? Can’t and won’t tackle and can’t catch.
He had a good year last year and a good wc ,it was like he was covered in Vaseline and no one could tackle him ,
but now it’s like all these negatives have appeared that either weren’t there or weren’t obvious last year .
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I am not overly worried we lost TBH.
We are not a bad team, we're just up against a team right at the top of their game and on top of the world.
Unlike the loss against the Pumas these were 2 reasonable performances.
I don't think Telea and Reese are up to it. Clarke on one wing and probably Jordan on the other is a much better fit.
I also am not sure why our props played so long. Our starting LH gave away a stupid YC in the 68th minute. He should have been subbed by that point.
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@Kirwan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Shit selections, shit squad, shit coaches.
Quite the achievement to make me miss Fosters reign. We are soft as fuck.
Yeah, a Foster-coached Blues would have rag-dolled the Boks today 🙄
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@Darth-Sader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Kirwan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Shit selections, shit squad, shit coaches.
Quite the achievement to make me miss Fosters reign. We are soft as fuck.
Yeah, a Foster-coached Blues would have rag-dolled the Boks today 🙄
We are going backwards is my point. We have the players to be better than this dross.
Ryan surely has to be under pressure?
Am sure the answer is more Cantabs, lol.
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@Darth-Sader Boks would have loved playing against a Blues style team. It’d be like the Lions 2021 tour all over again. Meat and drink for the Boks.
Boks struggle when teams stretch them and tire them out. It requires patience. Something lacking in NZ rugby right now, but that is probably more to do with the lack of exposure NZ players get to this type of anaerobic playing style nowadays.
It is also worth pointing out that NZ have been poor for several years at u20 level. The new talent conveyor belt has been a bit empty. I think some of the new crop coming through show promise. Add Segner and Holland into the mix and the forward stocks look quite good.
AB coaches and NZ coaches in general are going to have to earn their corn by out coaching their opposites to exploit opposition flaws and mask NZ weaknesses. Time to innovate.
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@Kirwan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Ryan surely has to be under pressure?
The forwards weren't really the problem.
2nd half FB , Wingers and 2nd half HB were. -
Every single All Black forward should be able to take every single All Black back out the back of the stadium and beat them with sticks.
The forwards were under the pump early but righted the ship and took over and the backs repeatedly fucked everyone else. Knock ons, shit options, penalties, turnovers, missed kicks, dog shit.
Sam Cane is a fucking test match warrior, and th3 slander on his name from salty Blues fans needs a written fucking apology. Who hits fluffybunnies and stops them? Who gets breakdown turnovers and pressure? Who gets his old legs in to wide channels? The warrior.
Taylor my MotM, just a massive game. Starting props remarkable to sort the scrum and dominate around the track. Barrett much better this week but that knock on was terrible. Vaai more passive in contact but good on the floor and the air.
Good start with ball in hand for Sititi. Same old shit from Savea.It was an ugly game full of errors and aimless play. South Africa are not yet comfortable in their new game plan. Willy Le Roux is the worst top level regular test player in the world.
TJP needs to shut his fucking hole. Learn a lesson.
Fuck the backs
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@mariner4life said in [Springboks vs All Blacks 2](/post/
Fuck the backs
Spoken like a true forward I applaud you.
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@Damo said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I am not overly worried we lost TBH.
We are not a bad team, we're just up against a team right at the top of their game and on top of the world.
Get all that but that was never an acceptable attitude in the past , we have become the vanilla allblacks,
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@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Every single All Black forward should be able to take every single All Black back out the back of the stadium and beat them with sticks.
The forwards were under the pump early but righted the ship and took over and the backs repeatedly fucked everyone else. Knock ons, shit options, penalties, turnovers, missed kicks, dog shit.
Sam Cane is a fucking test match warrior, and th3 slander on his name from salty Blues fans needs a written fucking apology. Who hits fluffybunnies and stops them? Who gets breakdown turnovers and pressure? Who gets his old legs in to wide channels? The warrior.
Taylor my MotM, just a massive game. Starting props remarkable to sort the scrum and dominate around the track. Barrett much better this week but that knock on was terrible. Vaai more passive in contact but good on the floor and the air.
Good start with ball in hand for Sititi. Same old shit from Savea.It was an ugly game full of errors and aimless play. South Africa are not yet comfortable in their new game plan. Willy Le Roux is the worst top level regular test player in the world.
TJP needs to shut his fucking hole. Learn a lesson.
Fuck the backs
Agreed on Cane. What a warrior. Don’t forget he broke his neck in the black jersey a few years ago and worked his way back from zero and still puts his head in dark places. An animal.
The team currently has way too many headless chickens in it.
DMAC, Beaudy, Ardie., Rieko. They look like they are all being controlled by an 8 year old with a joypad.
We need a leader in the pack and a leader in the backs.
Our captain is the latest in line of a familial dynasty of card magnets too. The Barrett’s are mentalists. Headbangers.
I was screaming for DMAC to be the starting 10 but Christ almighty he is all over the place. Maybe the chiefs game plan suits him more
This is not test Rugby we are playing.
This is barbarians stuff, without the skills, and the smiles, and the midweek piss up.
We are a rabble.
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The "oh its not that bad south africa are so good" attitude astounds me. They weren't good today, they were good enough. We put them under huge pressure, they made so many errors, and we couldn't even get a try despite numerous opportunities. That was winnable and we did not.
We're not good enough and this highly touted coaching team is under huge pressure.
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@BerniesCorner yep. ABs have lost half a test season now to work on their attacking patterns after jettisoning LM.
Starting tight forwards aren’t the issue for ABs to solve. EDG to start and TW from the bench, Samisoni as bench hooker. ABs need to find a replacement for Ofa who offers little from the bench. Darry or Lord from the bench until Holland is eligible.
Loose forward mix is still troubling, although Sititi brought some much needed power and go forward today. He has to be persevered with after that performance. The Jerry/Richie/Rodney backrow was not tall, but they were immense at the breakdown and around the park. I have a feeling that Sititi/DP/Savea is a combo I would like to see at some point. I really like the look of Segner and hope he will make the step up.
I think the centres need some work. NZ needs a 12 that will get them over the advantage line. DDA was immense today. Jordie was good, but he has been hot and cold this year. McKenzie needs an out ball at 12, like DC used to have with Nonu.
As for the back 3, NZ is blessed with outside backs, but the balance isn’t right. NZ, like under Henry, needs to pick some guys who are good at the basics like catching and chasing kicks. Clarke was doing exactly what was needed last week. Test rugby is about pressure - limit mistakes and force your opponent to make decisions under pressure.
I think it is time for some new blood too. Love has earned his chance. Can’t do worse than BB or WJ.
This is year 1 of a an IP rebuild having lost years of experience. Those with experience still playing have not filled the leadership vacuum that was created after 2023 WC final. If Coles, Retallick, Whitelock, Smith were still playing, ABs are winning one of these 2 tests IMO.
