Springboks vs All Blacks I
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@voodoo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Cane at 6 and Paps at 7 is gross from an attacking perspective. Neither carry or link well, and neither is a genuine lineout target.
Happy days on D I guess, small things
Just listened to the rugby pod aotearoa. The first 10 min are worth a listen with Blair Feeney talking. He's coached all over the place.
His theory for beating the rush is to go to the second channel and have deeper playmakers coming around. Argues that you occasionally will be caught deep - but that you make rushers really get uncomfortable going deep, and give your 10/15 time to size up and make decisions.
Also wants good hitups beside the ruck to draw in defenders. Which makes a lot of sense ... except our only ball carrier is (checks notes) Ardie (sometimes). Ball carrying is not a skill that the Razor/Ryan axis value.
As for 6, for me you have to take Finau to shore up the lineout. But I suspect we'll see the hard working EB, who will get plenty of tackling practice.
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@LatsToTheMax said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
We are due a good game of rugby with the South Africans.
2023 Twickenham was dire and so was the WC final.
Two of the most mistake ridden , disjointed games of rugby I've seen involving the ABs.And the refereeing/tmo involvement was a thundering disgrace.
I will never have that match mentioned without saying it.
Im still fucking seething over it.
I still can't believe no one is talking about nor, talked about the forearm from Kitsoff into Frizell's head that caused him to ilegally fall over and risk the life of the ground beneath him.
You're new here. We gnashed over that, Cane's RC vs Kolisi's YC, and the performance of the ref and TMO for a long time after the game
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@voodoo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Cane at 6 and Paps at 7 is gross from an attacking perspective.
I think we're more likely to see Cane at 7 and Papalii to the bench than that combo.
Neither carry or link well, and neither is a genuine lineout target.
In theory Papalii should be a good lineout option as he's the tallest of the loose forwards not named Finau. However, you seldom see a 7 used in the lineout due to being positioned at the tail.
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@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@voodoo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Cane at 6 and Paps at 7 is gross from an attacking perspective.
I think we're more likely to see Cane at 7 and Papalii to the bench than that combo.
Neither carry or link well, and neither is a genuine lineout target.
In theory Papalii should be a good lineout option as he's the tallest of the loose forwards not named Finau. However, you seldom see a 7 used in the lineout due to being positioned at the tail.
Also I’m sure he can be pretty good with ball in hand too. More dynamic than Cane
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@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@voodoo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Cane at 6 and Paps at 7 is gross from an attacking perspective.
I think we're more likely to see Cane at 7 and Papalii to the bench than that combo.
Neither carry or link well, and neither is a genuine lineout target.
In theory Papalii should be a good lineout option as he's the tallest of the loose forwards not named Finau. However, you seldom see a 7 used in the lineout due to being positioned at the tail.
Also I’m sure he can be pretty good with ball in hand too. More dynamic than Cane
Agree - he used to run and link well (back int he day). Maybe he's bulked up too much and slowed down?
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@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@voodoo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Cane at 6 and Paps at 7 is gross from an attacking perspective.
I think we're more likely to see Cane at 7 and Papalii to the bench than that combo.
Agreed - someone above threw it out sounding like sauce - hopefully not
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@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@voodoo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Cane at 6 and Paps at 7 is gross from an attacking perspective. Neither carry or link well, and neither is a genuine lineout target.
Happy days on D I guess, small things
His theory for beating the rush is to go to the second channel and have deeper playmakers coming around. Argues that you occasionally will be caught deep - but that you make rushers really get uncomfortable going deep, and give your 10/15 time to size up and make decisions.
Yes, Scotty Hansen often did that off Mo'unga, Jordan, Burke at the Crusaders.
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
We dont know his weaknesses at fullback in tests, because he has had no meaningful minutes there. He is Schroedingers fullback.
They're the same weaknesses we see at SR level, just magnified.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
We are due a good game of rugby with the South Africans.
2023 Twickenham was dire and so was the WC final.
Two of the most mistake ridden , disjointed games of rugby I've seen involving the ABs.And the refereeing/tmo involvement was a thundering disgrace.
I will never have that match mentioned without saying it.
Im still fucking seething over it.
Yup. They bottled it. Give Frizzlemynizzle the straight red he deserved and we’re probably not having this convo.
Hadn’t seen anyone carded for it before or since.
But I’m not one bit surprised seen as Mr Soak Tackle himself was holding the whistle.
Sent off the England Captain in the premiership final.
Sent off the Allblack Captain in the World Cup final.
A narcissist of the highest order..
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
We are due a good game of rugby with the South Africans.
2023 Twickenham was dire and so was the WC final.
Two of the most mistake ridden , disjointed games of rugby I've seen involving the ABs.And the refereeing/tmo involvement was a thundering disgrace.
I will never have that match mentioned without saying it.
Im still fucking seething over it.
Yup. They bottled it. Give Frizzlemynizzle the straight red he deserved and we’re probably not having this convo.
Hadn’t seen anyone carded for it before or since.
But I’m not one bit surprised seen as Mr Soak Tackle himself was holding the whistle.
Sent off the England Captain in the premiership final.
Sent off the Allblack Captain in the World Cup final.
A narcissist of the highest order..
Try this for a 6 game ban.. 3 months or so
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@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
We are due a good game of rugby with the South Africans.
2023 Twickenham was dire and so was the WC final.
Two of the most mistake ridden , disjointed games of rugby I've seen involving the ABs.And the refereeing/tmo involvement was a thundering disgrace.
I will never have that match mentioned without saying it.
Im still fucking seething over it.
Yup. They bottled it. Give Frizzlemynizzle the straight red he deserved and we’re probably not having this convo.
Hadn’t seen anyone carded for it before or since.
But I’m not one bit surprised seen as Mr Soak Tackle himself was holding the whistle.
Sent off the England Captain in the premiership final.
Sent off the Allblack Captain in the World Cup final.
A narcissist of the highest order..
Try this for a 6 game ban.. 3 months or so
That must of been what Keo and Zels were on about yesterday. They said it shouldn’t have even been a penalty.
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@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
We are due a good game of rugby with the South Africans.
2023 Twickenham was dire and so was the WC final.
Two of the most mistake ridden , disjointed games of rugby I've seen involving the ABs.And the refereeing/tmo involvement was a thundering disgrace.
I will never have that match mentioned without saying it.
Im still fucking seething over it.
Yup. They bottled it. Give Frizzlemynizzle the straight red he deserved and we’re probably not having this convo.
Hadn’t seen anyone carded for it before or since.
But I’m not one bit surprised seen as Mr Soak Tackle himself was holding the whistle.
Sent off the England Captain in the premiership final.
Sent off the Allblack Captain in the World Cup final.
A narcissist of the highest order..
Try this for a 6 game ban.. 3 months or so
Nothing in that for me. Play on.
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From stuff website.
All Blacks:
Beauden Barrett, Will Jordan, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Damian McKenzie, TJ Perenara, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Ethan Blackadder, Tupou Vaa'i, Scott Barrett (capt), Tyrel Lomax, Codie Taylor, Tamaiti Williams.Reserves: Asafo Aumua, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Fletcher Newell, Sam Darry, Samipeni Finau, Cortez Ratima, Anton Lienert-Brown, Mark Tele'a.
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Pleased with the backline, would certainly prefer Ratima but can see why they haven't thrown him into start.
Paps missing out all together, replaced by Cane who they obviously still rate very highly...
Happy to see Finau on the bench, he could provide some good impact late in the game.
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I reckon Tim might have had a hand in selecting the back row.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Pleased with the backline, would certainly prefer Ratima but can see why they haven't thrown him into start.
Paps missing out all together, replaced by Cane who they obviously still rate very highly...
Happy to see Finau on the bench, he could provide some good impact late in the game.
Is Dalton fit?
Has he just been dropped?
