Springboks vs All Blacks I
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I am strangely okay with the result. Not happy but can see positives.
Well done to the Boks for being the tad more composed and methodical in the final 10-15.
Winning like that was what we regularly used to do in the McCaw era.For sure the Boks were missing a few locks - DeJager, Snyman and Mostert, but we were missing one player who I think will have a big uptick on our game when he returns - Roigard.
Our backline attack was far better. Sayonara Leon MacDonald, you won't be missed.
We're pretty bloody good across the positions but a few hard calls need to be made. (not right now but perhaps against Oz)
I actually think the best option at fullback is Ruben love. Tidy, pacy and a good head on his shoulders. He strikes me as more solid and less flaky than Jordan.
Obviously Roigard coming back gives us a great running option from the base and improved clearance. He'll add another dimension to our attack.
Midfield went okay, and I think Reiko's pace is an asset in both defence and attack. However, I am interested in seeing Reiko on the wing and Proctor at 13.
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A great positive to come out of the past few games is that Vaa'i seems to be coming of age and Darry is pretty good too. Now we need a big munter in the loose fowards somewhere (Suafoa?). Our front row has great depth, too.
We'll build from here and we are only a smidgeon behind the boks, whom I think we will beat if played in NZ.
Oh, and Kolisi (in regard to your post-match speeches), you're not Mandela or the second coming of Jesus, you're a rugby player.
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@WillieTheWaiter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
One of the best runners in the game
5-10 years ago maybe. He's not the same athlete he used to be (understandably). Which could explain his shift to kicking as he has had to adjust his game
He used to be a pin point accurate kicker too, he’s been shit at kicking for those last 5 or so years
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@booboo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I thought the ref generally had a good game.
Well that makes you and Mrs Brace.
If we had handled the bomb squad better the ref wouldn't have mattered.
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Bomb squad? I thought Smith was their and the MOTM..
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@booboo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I thought the ref generally had a good game.
Well that makes you and Mrs Brace.
If we had handled the bomb squad better the ref wouldn't have mattered.
Did you watch the game? It's not that practically every conceivable penalty was awarded against us, so were the inconceivable.
The Mbonabe try. Marx's rip on Darry. Ardie's turnover.
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@booboo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I thought the ref generally had a good game.
Well that makes you and Mrs Brace.
If we had handled the bomb squad better the ref wouldn't have mattered.
But he did didn't he?
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The tight forwards looked good to me, would slip Ofa off the bench and welcome back the Groot but it is what it is.
But BB had another blah game, Ioane needs to recover his attacking mojo, and I'm still not convinced on Mark T, can he jump in the air, can he keep up? A weapon if he is back to 100%Loosies for me, Cane was doing ok but overall they are too slow and not dangerous. I'd be tempted to bench Ardie and find a faster player at 6 or 7 (Lakai?) I agree there is a height problem but note if Cane was at 6 he'd lose a cm against EB. Going by stats. And plays like a 6. I do note Matfield praised EB's meddling against the Argie lineout but EB just doesn't seem to know what to do with the ball when in hand.
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@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@booboo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I thought the ref generally had a good game.
Well that makes you and Mrs Brace.
If we had handled the bomb squad better the ref wouldn't have mattered.
Did you watch the game? It's not that practically every conceivable penalty was awarded against us, so were the inconceivable.
The Mbonabe try. Marx's rip on Darry. Ardie's turnover.
Yeah the rip and Ardie's turnover were bad. Didn't help us at all
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@booboo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I thought the ref generally had a good game.
Well that makes you and Mrs Brace.
If we had handled the bomb squad better the ref wouldn't have mattered.
Did you watch the game? It's not that practically every conceivable penalty was awarded against us, so were the inconceivable.
The Mbonabe try. Marx's rip on Darry. Ardie's turnover.
Yeah the rip and Ardie's turnover were bad. Didn't help us at all
And the call against TJP
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Has anyone timed the time he gave both sides for advantage?
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@booboo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I thought the ref generally had a good game.
Well that makes you and Mrs Brace.
If we had handled the bomb squad better the ref wouldn't have mattered.
Did you watch the game? It's not that practically every conceivable penalty was awarded against us, so were the inconceivable.
The Mbonabe try. Marx's rip on Darry. Ardie's turnover.
Yeah the rip and Ardie's turnover were bad. Didn't help us at all
And the call against TJP
We couldn't get out of our half. When we needed a long touch finder we couldn't get one
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Ref shit show aside. Crazy game. Both teams wildly inaccurate which makes the game sort of better (rugby is a way better sport with chaos).
So much good from us, and then so much bad. Score points? Good, immediately invite pressure? Bad.
BB good in attack but kick error kick error.
Wingers good, especially Clarke and Jordan crossing the field to link up with him.
Midfield really good. Reiko's best game this year, Jordie playing to the level we need.
DMac kicked too much ball, which was obviously a plan, but watching him give the defence kittens by running just made that plan even more stupid.
TJ was good. I forgive that mouth penalty because the ref absolutely fucked that up.
Loose forwards? No. Savea is playing crap. Getting bundled in to touch in that first attack was criminal. And he made shit tons of errors. Also, hit a ruck fluffybunny. EB tried his guts out. But he's just not very good. Cane did what cane does. But where was the ruck pressure. The 3 do not compliment each other, and thr A Savea 2-ball lineout was exposed by the much taller Africans.
I didn't know Vaai was that good. Huge game. Looked like the senior lock. Trusted at lineout, at least tried to take on their lineout. Won turnovers. Hit a couple of guys really hard too.
Starting front row were all excellent.
We didn't really get anything out of the bench.South Africa were a bit shit for most of that game, and yes we got stitched up, but we invited top much pressure from bad kicking options. And by fuck can we find a fast flanker to keep the ball in wide channels?
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@Duluth said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Main change this year is his top end pace is back. People talk about the power game but he’s one of the quicker wingers in NZ. There was a game during RWC where he looked as slow as a tight forward.. must have been the calf issues
He just looks “tidier” too - hands good, balance better. A lock for the 11 jumper for me
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@Duluth said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Main change this year is his top end pace is back. People talk about the power game but he’s one of the quicker wingers in NZ. There was a game during RWC where he looked as slow as a tight forward.. must have been the calf issues
Yes and his balance, he falls over only when tackled now. His consistency as well makes him a joy to watch. Best AB 11 at moment for me.
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They had called so much back for minor indiscretions that the TMO had picked up on, but then they just let the try stand. And they can't even claim they had to let it stand due to the conversion being taken, as that was rubbed out for not being taken in time! I don't know what to make of that, simultaneous brain farts from the ref and TMO?
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@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
15-5 penalty count?
Your side needs better discipline and game management
Ths is exactly what your supporters said to your team after the 2011 QF against Aus, eh
Are you saying the boks lost that game because of dodgy reffing?
Yes I am. Dodgy Officiating.
How can a try be awarded when Bongi Monambi knew he didn't score (look at his disappointment face), the majority of the crowd after seeing the screen knew he didn't score and same with the TMO. At this point the game is a farce and the whole thing is wrong.
I don't want to be a bad sport and the Boks were great in the last 15 minutes but how do South Africans justify the Monambi try.
