NZ Super rugby draft

Dice

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I'll disagree with you there. He looked a bit clueless at times once Cruden got injured last season but I thought he was easily the best out of him, his little bro and Horrell. Damian will probably be better by now but I'd still pick him at 10 ahead of West any day.
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He started off well, but then regressed each game from there. I think the last game he started was in a loss against the Canes, and I remember him being quite bad in that one.

Winger

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I don't like it. It forces young people to move away from their families whose support they often need. It also takes away the local element from teams.
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Agree. Its a truly stupid, idiotic idea. One of the reasons I like the Canes is following a young Canes region players progression through the grades. The only starting outside back last weekend was Aso (I think) Even Barrett was from the Canes region back then
 
Forwards. Front row all three. (One prop was born in SA though). Locks both outsider. back row All three Wellington. So 12/15 :good: And one lock started off his NZ rugby career in Wellington

gollum

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I specifically mentioned those areas in my post - because I'm not 100% certain but don't most of them need some sort of formal training now (doesn't the old apprenticeship model not really apply in the sense we think about it now - my cousin had to go to EIT for a year before he could start his apprenticeship and he had to be over 18)?
 
I don't have an issue if a 16 year old is out working full time, but how many rugby players are going to be going into the horse racing industry and professional rugby aside from Reagan King? ;)
 
I think that aspects of schooling are sometimes underrated - discipline to work/turn up,socialisation, etc that type stuff that you can also get from employment - but then again, I work in education.
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I think thats the key point, some young fulla who blows at school leaving to be a sparky or plumber is a great call.
 
But anyone who is being talked up as a future Super player at 16 isn't likely to do that. Because the way 16 year olds think why would he? He'll be earning Dan Carter money in a few years. The more talent these guys show re rugby the more they need to straight jacketed into keeping their options open in case, amazingly, they don't get $100k to pose in their undies in between offers from Toulon & the Roosters.

Unco

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He started off well, but then regressed each game from there. I think the last game he started was in a loss against the Canes, and I remember him being quite bad in that one.
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I think I might've missed that game, so I won't argue that one, but I do think it's worth remembering that the way Rennie played hot potato with his back up 10s ended up hurting all three from settling or getting into any kind of form.

Chris B.

Plus side of a draft is that it creates a bit of interest/excitement around draft day. I think that's probably outweighed by the cons.
 
The draft wouldn't make too much sense out of high school because that's not really where the Super teams recruit the people who are going to play from. They recruit from ITM Cup - so a bunch of young ITM Cup players putting themselves into the Super draft could work. But I think it could have long run negative consequences in terms of further weakening provincial allegiances.

Higgins

All uncontracted Mitre10 Cup players are effectively in a draft, anyway ie they are available for selection for whomsoever wants them. The only difference between this situation and a regulated draft scheme is that each team can go after anyone they want rather than signing (drafting) one player then waiting in line until all other teams have had their pick before a second player can be signed (drafted).

Chris B.

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All uncontracted Mitre10 Cup players are effectively in a draft, anyway ie they are available for selection for whomsoever wants them. The only difference between this situation and a regulated draft scheme is that each team can go after anyone they want rather than signing (drafting) one player then waiting in line until all other teams have had their pick before a second player can be signed (drafted).
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Though there's still a tendency for Canterbury players to go to the Crusaders, Wellington players to the Canes etc. Chiefs and Highlanders are probably a bit more United Nations - but to the extent that players from their regions are playing Super rugby, I suspect they're primarily playing for those franchises.

taniwharugby

in theory, you want kids to aspire to play for their regions franchise team to create that 'passion' we get accused of not having.

Higgins

I suspect most players do want to play for the team their provincial side is aligned with but it is not unusual for the super side to overlook them (eg Ta$man players turning out in decent numbers for the Chiefs and the Highlanders) so if the player wants to be a professional player then he must accept whatever offer comes their way rather than living in hope that their preferred super team might belatedly come knocking on their door. It is always better to take a concrete offer rather than wait for something that might or might not come along later. Former Wellington based club players aspiring to play Mitre10 Cup know only too well that scenario.

The Silver Fern

NZ Super rugby draft