All Blacks vs England 2
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Seems like good crowd entertainment, and would remove any referee ambiguity, I really can't see any reason not to have it. Kicker does not have to look at it if they don't want to.
Kickers often use the entire time as it is, so I can't see how they could waste more time. Game clock should probably be stopped anyway. -
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
Nic Gill was partially to blame as he took far too long getting the tee to DMac.
Back in my day we were heeling the dirt and placing the ball right on the turf. No need for this technology
A small bucket of sand was a major evolutionary advancement.
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@Darren said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Seems like good crowd entertainment, and would remove any referee ambiguity, I really can't see any reason not to have it. Kicker does not have to look at it if they don't want to.
Kickers often use the entire time as it is, so I can't see how they could waste more time. Game clock should probably be stopped anyway.Of course the opposition wags in the crowd are going to count down from 60.
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Shot clock = much ado about nothing.
Dmac will unlikely get close to missing one like that again...shot clock or not.
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Interestingly in this case the ref was correct in calling it took too long (1 min 9 secs) and also wrong in that he called 10 seconds, then blew the whistle after 8. That's why you need a shot clock. But IMO 45 seconds is more than enough, 30 for a penalty. Let's get on with it!
Referee Amushekeli awarded the penalty and stood the mark at 77:08 on the match clock. McKenzie indicated he would kick for goal and the referee signalled that a shot would be taken at 77:22. At 77:59 the referee can be heard to say “20 seconds”. At 78:11 he says “ten seconds”. Finally at 78:19, eight seconds after he called ten seconds, with McKenzie about to start his run-up, Amushekeli blew his whistle and called a scrum.
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I think the team needs to be careful when they say they going for goal too, and tee person needs to be awake. They should make sure tee is pretty close before saying we taking kick I think. Same as conversion, if a team scores a try and stands up, if I was ooposition I would 'accidently' kick the ball further away, and try scorers are going to have to learn no excited throwing the ball away etc.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
But IMO 45 seconds is more than enough, 30 for a penalty. Let's get on with it!
from when?
From signalling the shot?
From getting the tee?A minute from the penalty being awarded is not much time if the tee doens't get out quickly - if you want to have a chat about whether to kick for touch or goal, you'll be in trouble.
I'd have no issues with a minute from signalling intent - and it's up to the teams to get tees onto the field (or have one on each side to save 70 m of running!
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Interestingly in this case the ref was correct in calling it took too long (1 min 9 secs) and also wrong in that he called 10 seconds, then blew the whistle after 8. That's why you need a shot clock. But IMO 45 seconds is more than enough, 30 for a penalty. Let's get on with it!
Referee Amushekeli awarded the penalty and stood the mark at 77:08 on the match clock. McKenzie indicated he would kick for goal and the referee signalled that a shot would be taken at 77:22. At 77:59 the referee can be heard to say “20 seconds”. At 78:11 he says “ten seconds”. Finally at 78:19, eight seconds after he called ten seconds, with McKenzie about to start his run-up, Amushekeli blew his whistle and called a scrum.
Worth noting that the clock actually stopped when it had hit time up, so while technically it said 78:19, it had definitely been 10 seconds.
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@JK said in All Blacks vs England 2:
No complaints re shot clock but I think we can expect a few fans chanting it down once in to the final 10, particular for opposition players.
Or having a bit of fun with it by starting a 10 countdown when there is still 20 seconds to go and then letting out a yell to try and throw would be kickers off if they are still trying their approach.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@JK said in All Blacks vs England 2:
No complaints re shot clock but I think we can expect a few fans chanting it down once in to the final 10, particular for opposition players.
Or having a bit of fun with it by starting a 10 countdown when there is still 20 seconds to go and then letting out a yell to try and throw would be kickers off if they are still trying their approach.
Hah that would get some panic going.
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@Stag said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Nepia the stats clearly show that Sotutu is well below the other loosies selected when it comes to the tough stuff:
Lies, damn lies and statistics. Sotutu was used for the Blues in a similar way that teams use Savea.
Sotutu's job was to pass (kick!) and run (and score trys). We had hardworking flankers to cover the rest, otherwise known as balance. He's pretty much like for like cover for Savea.
If he was asked to play a tighter role, he has the ability and fitness to do that. This reminds of when the Blues used to play Akira out wide and people complained about his workrate. When Cotter (and the ABs) wanted him closer in, he did it with ease.
IMO, player that can play multiple stlyes is useful for a squad, but what the fuck do I know.
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