Highlanders 2025
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@Mr-Fish said in Highlanders 2025:
Soane Vikena is an interesting one. He's technically more experienced than the two guys they've already got but he's had such limited game time in the last few years. Is he a better long-term prospect than either Bell or Taylor? I'm not certain. Is he a better short-term option? The jury's out on that too. Still, not a bad signing by any means!
The feeling is that he is coming down here with the aim of being the number one.
And at the end of the day, he was the #1 realistic option on the market and we have picked him up so I can't complain. The hooker market will be more interesting next year, because all three of these guys know that should they not perform, the chance of McAllister (or Bell though far less likely now that he has made the ABs) ending up at the Highlanders in 2026 is probably quite high if they don't step up.
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@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:
I do wonder what story the three external guys have been sold by JJ. Tangitau needs to be in the 23 each week. Lasaqa should be too. Vikena as a likely bench player?
Tangitau probably starts off in the 23 jersey because he can cover centre... though I have a theory that Nareki may well drift into 13, because he definitely has the skills to do it.
The hookers will come solely down to who does best in pre-season, though Bell surely has the inside running after a solid first season.
Lasaqa again it will come down to form, but I'm picking the Highlanders will run two loose forwards on the bench this year, with either Stodart or Haig covering lock, so there could be a spot for him. Holland and Dunshea at this stage are going to be our two best locks, then it will be absolute daylight.
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@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:
I do wonder what story the three external guys have been sold by JJ. Tangitau needs to be in the 23 each week. Lasaqa should be too. Vikena as a likely bench player?
Tangitau probably starts off in the 23 jersey because he can cover centre... though I have a theory that Nareki may well drift into 13, because he definitely has the skills to do it.
The hookers will come solely down to who does best in pre-season, though Bell surely has the inside running after a solid first season.
Lasaqa again it will come down to form, but I'm picking the Highlanders will run two loose forwards on the bench this year, with either Stodart or Haig covering lock, so there could be a spot for him. Holland and Dunshea at this stage are going to be our two best locks, then it will be absolute daylight.
The Highlanders are building plenty of depth in the backfield. With Nareki, Tangitau, JRK and Tavatavanawai, that is plenty of firepower that will match any team in the comp next year.
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@Canes4life hope youre right although we've had some weapons on the wing in the past, i issue has been getting the ball to them in a position to do something, huge improvement in recent years should help
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@ARHS said in Highlanders 2025:
The Lasaqa signing is a coup. I was stunned at his omission from super squads at starts of season. Great potential.
I wonder if his smaller size put off the Chiefs when a specialist no.7 was needed this year. I first saw him play for TBC, and he was great over the ball.
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I can't rmember a better group of outside backs. Even going back to 2015, we had the likes of the 38th man Trent Renata. Only bringing this group down is Jonah Lowe still drifting around on the third year of his deal. Josh Whaanga probably needs to get up to about 105kg to fill out his frame. Looks like we will probably go with three specialist locks. Stodart potentially filling the main no 19 spot. Interested to see whether Renton comes back in as the top 8, or if they try and push Broughton. Haig, Withy and Renton is a bit same-same. Swapping in Broughton adds a bit more as a wide running loosie.
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On Vikena, he’s a player with potential. Been around for a few years now, started with Auckland and the Blues in 2020. Was also in the NZ 20s for 2 years. Still only 23 and has a higher ceiling than Henry Bell. Personally, I like Henry Bell and he had a good season but Vikena offers something different. Dont forget about Jack Taylor, he arguably has the highest ceiling of all 3. It’s a great position for the highlanders to be in.
It’s clear there has been a change of direction in recruitment, to get these 5 signed and all 5 are no older than 23 is a clear sign of that. Gone are the days of bringing in a bunch of guys in their mid to late 20. Going for the early 20’s with an idea of hopefully keeping them around long term great to see, as I said above all of these guys come with pedigree and they should all be pushing for a spot in the match day 23. That’s the kind of competition we need.
I understand a more experienced signing here and there is nice and I wouldn’t mind 1 being added, but to get these 5 and having an eye on the future, the Highlanders are following their word. Its a huge positive in my opinion.
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The way I see it, is we've got to tick boxes in terms of a squad and a starting XV to compete for a Super Rugby title in 2026.
Prop: de Groot and Ma'u I think are good enough as a first choice pairing, but plenty of work to do in the depth department. Probably an area where you'll see movement in 2026. At this moment, all the backups are uninspiring, so you're always going to be weak off the bench
Hooker: We'll see. I'd reason that the Blues just won Super Rugby with Ricky Riccitelli, and the Highlanders won it with Coltman and Ash Dixon so your hooker doesn't need to be a world beater. Three good options locked in, in my mind
Lock: Holland and Dunshea are a class lock pairing, possibly better than anything we had during JJ's first tenure, and definitely good enough to compete for a title. Need depth. Will wait to see what they do here...
Loose Forwards: Great mix of young loosies IMO, I think there is enough there to compete for the title
Halfbacks: As long as we hold onto Fakatava we are fine in the interim. Lock in Pledger, and the backups are plenty good enough. Still holding out hope for Hastie too
First Fives: If nothing else, Millar and Faleafaga seem to be better than everyone else's young 10s, so that has to be a good sign?
Midfielders: Tele'a I think you could win a Super title with him as a starting 13, but he needs some support. J Whaanga will need a few years, Te Hiwi is a bit meh, Gilbert too. These are all backup guys. TUJ has never been able to stay fit and I don't see that changing. We'll be in the market for a blockbuster 12 come 2026, unless we coup someone out the NPC.
Outside Backs: Good group of players, I think good enough.
At this early stage, I'm expecting us to take more strides forward next year, as I don't really think any of our player losses are the end of the world. For all his upside, Harmon was never an All Black for a reason. Withy, Lasaqa etc. can replace him in time. The rest of them weren't anywhere near the 23 at the end of the season anyway...
2026, I think there is the makings of the squad for a title challenge, but that is reliant on young players reaching their potential, and signing a blockbuster 12. That second five could even be Faleafaga...
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@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
Faleafaga
An absolute blockbuster. He seems to be more a Sopoaga than Nonu type.
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@Canes4life said in Highlanders 2025:
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
Faleafaga
An absolute blockbuster. He seems to be more a Sopoaga than Nonu type.
By blockbuster, I meant superstar... and in the mould of a playmaking 12. If they can crash the ball up too, then great, but we kind of have Tele'a to do that.
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I don't see Faleafaga as a 12. He is quite small compared to the sterotypical 12 running around in Super Rugby. I think we could see a very large midfield next year of TUJ and Tele'a. We still have a year left with Jonah Lowe too!
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@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:
I don't see Faleafaga as a 12. He is quite small compared to the sterotypical 12 running around in Super Rugby. I think we could see a very large midfield next year of TUJ and Tele'a. We still have a year left with Jonah Lowe too!
Jonah Lowe is barely an adequate Super winger, let alone a Super level midfielder. Tele'a is an obvious starter in the midfield for the Landers, TUJ probably the obvious choice to partner him if he can stay fit.
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@Canes4life come on mate, its fairly clear @SouthernMann is taking the piss re lowe, long established and accepted he not up to it
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@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2025:
@Canes4life come on mate, its fairly clear @SouthernMann is taking the piss re lowe, long established and accepted he not up to it
Who's the fool that extended his contract this long? Crazy, he's not only not upto it, he's also a consistent food bill.
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@Canes4life who are you arguing with?
it hasnt been extended, as far as i know, they just gave him a long one and if im honest when we signed him i was happy, he's just gone down hill
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@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2025:
@Canes4life who are you arguing with?
it hasnt been extended, as far as i know, they just gave him a long one and if im honest when we signed him i was happy, he's just gone down hill
I'm not arguing with anyone I'm just stating the fact that if Lowe is signed for next year he must have a bloody good agent. He wasn't good enough when he was at the Canes and hasn't improved at the Highlanders. I'm just shocked at how he is able to pick up a contract year after year.
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@Canes4life but your stating something everyone else discussed and accepted over a year ago, its just weird to come in and go on about it like anyone had a different opinion
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He signed a three year deal. 23,24 and 25. Was never a good acquisition. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/129060018/highlanders-sign-chiefs-winger-jonah-lowe-and-otago-lock-fabian-holland
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I think @Canes4life is just acknowledging Lowe isn’t up to standard. He isn’t trying to argue. Something may have been taken the wrong way there.
We can all agree he has been a flop for the Highlanders. Hopefully he can get healthy and find some kind of form he had at the chiefs, the form which got him into the Māori AB’s and signed to a 3 year contact in the first place(pretty big ask) but depth wise you could definitely do worse, he would now be the 4th choice winger you would think. The writing is on the wall though clearly…
