Euro 2024
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@MiketheSnow said in Euro 2024:
Southgate should have made substitutions earlier
Where have I heard that before?
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Hope Williams signs for a premier league team. He is great!
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@Billy-Tell said in Euro 2024:
Hope Williams signs for a premier league team. He is great!
Teams are interested but they will have to pay big money to get him out of Athletic Bilbao due to their Basque player payment policy.
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England eventually getting found out - players are good enough but they didn't really have a method of creating chances. In the end, the most successful tactic was pumping it upfield and hoping it fell for them. Good that Southgate made the changes but I think he should have thrown on someone like Gordon on the left as Carvajal strolled through game without a threat. Anyway, the best team in the tournament and on the night won and that doesn't happen often
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England had their moments in the tournament based on individual athleticism and instincts, but they rarely if ever outplayed teams or broke them down.
Spain were excellent, including in the final. A very well organised and skilful team. Nico Williams was outstanding last night. The right team won.
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Better team won, I think ultimately our selection of Kane, on the basis of hope more than recent form was what cost us, his lack of movement meant Bellingham and Foden just had no movement or space in front of them. Don’t know how much of this is a cautious Southgate vs a balance of the attack. Not sure whether I want us to change Southgate, but maybe Eddie Howe would have us playing better football but there’s a lot to be said for the environment GS has created. Not as gutted as four years ago, we didn’t deserve it
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For the regular football watchers, was Kane knackered and/or injured?
I ask because he was scoring goals for fun at Bayern this season with what looked like a real spring in his step
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@MiketheSnow Didn't manage a flat out sprint all tournament. He fairly obviously had some sort of hamstring injury.
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@Dodge England's corners and free kicks were very poor all tournament. Partly that's the fault of Phil Foden and partly that's the fault of Asssitant Manager Steve Holland.
The goal straight after half time was a killer for England. Soft defending letting Yamal beat three players and giving Williams far too much space. I think Trent Alexander Arnold is a better Right Back than Kyle Walker these days.
Going forward they will need to find a way to start both Saka and Palmer. Phil Foden needs to start enjoying playing international football. Jude Bellingham needs to learn about Tana Umaga and spend more time on his feet rather than on the floor.
I think the FA will offer Gareth Southgate two more years and see if he accepts. There isn't really a strong replacement waiting in the wings. I'd like to look at them bringing in better assistant coaches than Steve Holland and Jimmy Floyd Haselbank. Paul Clement and Graham Potter are available who are very good coaches but are behind Southgate in terms of man management and dealing with the media.
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@MiketheSnow It's the style of play these guys struggle to adapt to. A bit different when you have guys like Pep, Arteta, Tuchel, Ancelotti etc playing to your strengths and then having to play under a former failed Middlesbrough manager.
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An interesting stat is that Croatia had a higher tournament xG (expected goals) than England having played 3 games against England's 7. For the whole tournament, England went long stretches without doing anything at all and their goals largely came out of the blue. They should have gone home losing to Slovakia in the last 16, they were awful in that game and rescued by a freakish piece of brilliance. I imagine if Bellingham's overhead kick had ended up in row Z, Southgate would have already resigned.
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Outside of Alf Ramsey who won silverware, Southgate is the most successful England manager by a country mile
We know he’s not lucky so he must be good
And he’s had to manage some bang average players and taken them deep in tournament after tournament
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@MiketheSnow Don't agree with much of that.
I'm not a Gareth hater but he's been very lucky at tournaments both in 2018 and this year the tournament opened up for England. 2018 their group was Belgium who they lost to, Panama and Tunisia. Then they had Colombia who they beat in a shootout, Sweden and lost to Croatia.
This years draw was also very kind.
2022 WC they went out to the first decent team they faced. Even 2021 was kind. All bar one of their games at home. Only good teams they faced resulted in a draw with Croatia and win against a poor Germany and a loss to Italy.
He's also been fortunate to have some bloody good players to pick from. Have a look at the squads Hodgson had to work with.
Southgate has instilled a great spirit and got players wanting to play for each other and England, something that hasn't always been the case but I'd say he's been a lucky Manager.
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with all due respect, i hate that.
It's tournament football, the draw is part of it. And frankly basically every team was "poor" but only England are allowed to benefit from it? France were dogshit and made a semi. Just because they are big countries doesn't mean they turned up. The Swiss were the dark horses. Beaten.
The came a headed clearance from taking this supposedly great Spanish team to extra time. I am sure it's frustrating that they keep going deep in tournaments but failing. But as someone who watched way more hyped English teams do much much worse for a couple of decades, they are doing alright.
I do agree that this might be the time to see if someone else can tip them over the edge for the World Cup though
