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<p>It is an option. <strong>Depends on the ref we're getting.</strong></p>
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<p>On attack, England played flop-ruck as they're accustomed to doing up north, and Poite let them. Was always going to be fine margins there, and with Pocock out I think we look at minimising the attack on their ball, and concentrate on ball running a bit more.</p>
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Ta. Thought Joubers had one of them.
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Joubert is a bit of a homer ref and also is obviously Southern Hemisphere, so assume advantage to Aus in the Second Test. At least more than Poite.<br><br>
Owens is more or less 50/50 I think.<br><br>
I'm almost hoping Aus win next week to set up the giant finish.<br><br>
But then I think f*ck them, let's go 3-0.<br><br>
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<p> Does this mean he's finally fulfilling his potential after 70 odd caps? Late developer? <strong>Or has Eddie pushed the right buttons?</strong></p>
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<p>Still not a 7 though :yes:</p>
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<p>Anybody else think that Maro Itoje was acting like a complete fuck wit in yesterdays game.</p>
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The whooping, hollering etc? Whatever. It's not my preferred style but so long as it's directed at his own team and not the opposition I'm fine with it.<br><br>
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<p>wasted energy and just makes himself look like a cock, he also rubs oppositions heads when they give away a penalty. Only a matter of time before he gets his arse handed to him </p>
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<p>The whooping, hollering etc? Whatever. It's not my preferred style <strong>but so long as it's directed at his own team and not the opposition I'm fine with it.</strong><br><br>
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<p>Say Wha? Pretty sure it's intended for the opposition really, Simon.</p>
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<p>Fuck Eddie must grin himself to sleep these days.</p>
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<p>He's got:</p>
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<p>A shit load of wages</p>
<p>A passport that naturally negates the need to take any shit from RU fishheads</p>
<p>A forward pack big enough to front up to anyone</p>
<p>A gun goalkicker</p>
<p>A superstar 20 odd year old "any ball in the air" winner</p>
<p>A fair bit of pace on the wings</p>
<p>A box kicker</p>
<p>A team desperate to atone for the RWC</p>
<p>A gun goal kicker - worth mentioning twice for the relevance to his "annoy the shit out of them till they give away penalties" gameplan</p>
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<p>A fair rugby victory in the scheme of things and as others mentioned neither team played poorly - was a cool game to watch if you had no skin in it.</p>
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<p>From the Wallabies, by fuck there was some OUTSTANDING passing to create space from and for the backs. Foley the star in that department I think</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Wreck Diver" data-cid="587172" data-time="1465735798"><p>wasted energy and just makes himself look like a cock, he also rubs oppositions heads when they give away a penalty. Only a matter of time before he gets his arse handed to him<br></p></blockquote>
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The lad was pumped up, but I personally didn't see anything offensive in his bug-eyed "we go again! we go again!" rantings. Like Siam, I'm too old for that crap, but once I wasn't and was as bug-eyed and ranty as the next man, so I'll allow Itoje some latitude. Particularly if he keeps playing as superbly as he has been. -
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I think that comment about the Aus backline is a wee bit unfair. I was at the game and when the Aus backline got pace on the ball (hat tip NTA) they carved up. England just played smarter rugby and for long periods prevented Aus from getting proper attacking opportunities.</p></blockquote>
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Both teams flattered to deceive with ball in hand, both defenses splintered pretty quickly/easily around the fringes especially in the first half.<br><br>
Australia have looked good with front foot ball for the past decade, the unaddressed issue that you point out is quality teams can pretty much deny them of any opportunity through dominating at the breakdown, tackle and using their own possession productively.<br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Wreck Diver" data-cid="587172" data-time="1465735798"><p>wasted energy and just makes himself look like a cock, he also rubs oppositions heads when they give away a penalty. Only a matter of time before he gets his arse handed to him</p></blockquote>
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wasted energy and just makes himself look like a cock, he also rubs oppositions heads when they give away a penalty. Only a matter of time before he gets his arse handed to him</p></blockquote>
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Don't have a problem with niggle. Rugby is an intimidatory sport. It comes with the territory. Some of the couch potatoes / backs may have a problem with that. <br><br>
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Doubt anyone's going to hand his ass to him, honestly.</p></blockquote><br>
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On the Cooper Scale of Obnoxiousness Itoje is barely approaching your garden variety halfback.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Don Frye" data-cid="587188" data-time="1465747765">Don Frye, on 12 Jun 2016 - 5:09 PM, said:
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<p>Don't have a problem with niggle. Rugby is an intimidatory sport. It comes with the territory. Some of the couch potatoes / backs may have a problem with that.<br><br>
Doubt anyone's going to hand his ass to him, honestly.</p>
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<p>Yes rugby is about intimidation but I'm sorry Itoje is not intimidating at all. He is just a cheer leader he's one step away from high fiving the front row after a penalty is awarded to them. I would love to see him do this shit with Bukkies Botha or Brad Thorn on the field.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Wreck Diver" data-cid="587197" data-time="1465758096"><p>Yes rugby is about intimidation but I'm sorry Itoje is not intimidating at all. He is just a cheer leader he's one step away from high fiving the front row after a penalty is awarded to them. I would love to see him do this shit with Bukkies Botha or Brad Thorn on the field.</p></blockquote>
Why would that matter?<br><br>
Yeah I bet he'd be way scared to do it if cheap shot Bakkies or Mr Christian Thorn were there. What a goof thing to say. -
yes the old days of tough players sorting things out on the field are a thing of the past ,<br><br>winning is al about discipline now ,<br><br>and we may see a new breed of annoying niggly blokes who try to get under the oppositions skin, knowing they can get away with it without the fear of retaliation
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="kiwiinmelb" data-cid="587205" data-time="1465760233"><p>yes the old days of tough players sorting things out on the field are a thing of the past ,<br><br>
winning is al about discipline now ,<br><br>
and we may see a new breed of annoying niggly blokes who try to get under the oppositions skin, knowing they can get away with it without the fear of retaliation</p></blockquote>
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<p>Let's be honest lads. We're a bit worried about what Itoje might bring to the Lions...</p>
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<p>Might have been this bit "<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Australia looked a bit off their game though, I still pick them to win the series once they get going. Having a goal kicker like Farrell is so crucial. A rare off night for Foley certainly didn't help."</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Maybe I just read too much into it.</span></p>
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<p> Australia looked a bit off their game though</p>
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<p>What is their game though? This performance seemed pretty consistent than their Auckland Bledisloe & Springbok TRC games, Wales & Fiji pool fixtures, QF, SF & Final performances last year. Flashes of competitivenes, but pretty helpless when the other side is organised and constructive with ball in hand and aggressive at the breakdown. Their Sydney Bledisloe & England pool fixture efforts were better performances last year for sure - but perhaps those were the exception not the rule?</p> -
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<p>Why would that matter?<br><br>
Yeah I bet he'd be way scared to do it if cheap shot Bakkies or Mr Christian Thorn were there. What a goof thing to say.</p>
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<p>That's definitely why the ABs lost to England at the Cake tin in 2003, they too scared to get over exuberant and be creative cos tough guys like Dallaglio and Johnson were in the other team.</p> -
Awww but you wouldn't say that to their face coz they iz tuff!
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<p>Awww but you wouldn't say that to their face coz they iz tuff!</p>
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<p>I didn't know if it was true but Stephen Jones said it was so that was that.</p> -
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<p>Australia should go back to their more standard tactics for the next game. As long as they had the ball in hand, they looked like they could score at pretty much so any opportunity. </p>
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<p>I still can't believe they took the 3 points to go to down by 4. This is test rugby, it's about the results. You have awesome field position, an attack which is humming and when down by 7, you take the 3 and then back yourself to go 80 for the try for the win. Obvious basic knowledge states that you go for the try - to at least get you back to evens, then try and push 40 to get the penalty for the win.</p>
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<p>I cannot figure out any other argument as to why you'd take the 3 in that situation. If you were 6 or 5 down - yes, I get it. But not 7.</p>
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<p>Australia should go back to their more standard tactics for the next game. As long as they had the ball in hand, they looked like they could score at pretty much so any opportunity. </p>
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<p>I still can't believe they took the 3 points to go to down by 4. This is test rugby, it's about the results. You have awesome field position, an attack which is humming and when down by 7, you take the 3 and then back yourself to go 80 for the try for the win. Obvious basic knowledge states that you go for the try - to at least get you back to evens, then try and push 40 to get the penalty for the win.</p>
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<p>I cannot figure out any other argument as to why you'd take the 3 in that situation. If you were 6 or 5 down - yes, I get it. But not 7.</p>
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<p>The game in a nutshell is that Australia were masterful with the ball in hand, England were masterful tactically. </p>
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<p>The advantage to taking the points is that you score them immediately. If they had gone for a try, by the time they scored it it would be fulltime. The Australians took the only chance to win but I think they should have gone for the draw.</p> -
I've only seen the highlight package. But I thought the England forwards behaviour was pathetic. Whooping when earning penalties, pushing Sio away after you've just cheated and duped the ref into penalising him.<br><br>
Fuck off. and shut up.<br><br>
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<p>The advantage to taking the points is that you score them immediately. If they had gone for a try, by the time they scored it it would be fulltime. The Australians took the only chance to win but I think they should have gone for the draw.</p>
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<p>True, but penalty kick from there and then 80 metres back up to win is probably a 10% play.</p>
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<p>They way they were going I would have said 50% chance for draw. It made zero sense to me. A draw is not a win, but it's not a loss either.</p> -
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<p>I've only seen the highlight package. But I thought the England forwards behaviour was pathetic. Whooping when earning penalties, pushing Sio away after you've just cheated and duped the ref into penalising him.<br><br>
Fuck off. and shut up.<br><br>
We're here to watch the rugby not watch 8 guys in a cheating contest. But I'm of the powder puff opinion that scrums are for contested restarts, not for tricking, or earning penalties.</p>
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<p>Bit harsh. If 50% of what Eddie Jones says is true about the way they have been treated, you can't blame them for being a bit over the top in their excitement. </p> -
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Bit harsh. If 50% of what Eddie Jones says is true about the way they have been treated, you can't blame them for being a bit over the top in their excitement.</p></blockquote>
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Yeah. It's that my 2 per hates; using scrums to earn penalties, rubbing it into the oppoistion when they are penalised, combined to create some super hate.<br><br>
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<p>I actually enjoyed that aspect of the game. The English were fired up and passionate. You can see how much they wanted to get one over Aus after the RWC - made for great viewing. No love lost, which is how is should be out on the pitch!</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Wreck Diver" data-cid="587172" data-time="1465735798"><p>wasted energy and just makes himself look like a cock, he also rubs oppositions heads when they give away a penalty. Only a matter of time before he gets his arse handed to him</p></blockquote>
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Kaino rubs heads, was doing it to Pocock in last years WC final. I don't like it either but it's happening more and more in test rugby. Aaron Smith yells his lungs off when we get a TO or hold up a maul. <br><br>
Itoje is young and enthusiastic. He's got a bit to work on but Eddie obviously sees the upside in having that enthusiasm around the squad. <br><br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="587378" data-time="1465785151"><p>I actually enjoyed that aspect of the game. The English were fired up and passionate. You can see how much they wanted to get one over Aus after the RWC - made for great viewing. No love lost, which is how is should be out on the pitch!</p></blockquote>
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I agree - I like it. Get fired up. It certainly beats English teams of the past half-arsing their effort in June tours and getting spanked.<br><br>
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I agree - I like it. Get fired up. It certainly beats English teams of the past half-arsing their effort in June tours and getting spanked.<br><br>
There is one way to shut them up - beat them up front.</p></blockquote>
Fair enough. I admit first time it occurred I also 'liked it'. As I knew the history of the English scrum get spanked by the Aussies in the World Cup, and I thought game on. England are up for this. In that scrum IIRC the poms did demolish the Aussies.<br><br>
Then as it carried on and included celebrating for simply forcing a collapse. Legal or illegal. Rather than celebrating working the opposition prop into an unfavourable position then demolishing them.<br><br>
Plus the head pat which was for a crap ref decision imo.<br><br>
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<p>I don't like the head rubbing after the whistle. If we're not playing, don't fucking touch me unless we're helping each other up off the ground, or shaking hands after the game.</p>
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<p>The applause for the referee also shits me, no matter who does it. If you're applauding your team mates, go for it. But the big clap "WOOHOO! THANK YOU SIR!" is fucked.</p>
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