England to whitewash Australia
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<p>Thanks Sparky. Don't want to get carried away though.</p>
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<p>I mean it was only Australia. :fishing:</p> -
did not see the game and obviously he kicks and tackles but is Farrell really a playmaker? perhaps he learnt sonething from the RWC,,<br>
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<p>Farrell has been a cool, calm head at 10. Less so in contact but his play has mostly been controlled. He has always been a good kicker from hand and tee and also pretty unflappable. Sure he gets schizoid now and agin but the next minute he's mister control. His game control has been good and improving all the while, it was always his ability to set the back line alight and/or be a running threat himself that was suss. Over the last year and a bit he's been improving the last two aspects of his game very well. He's never going to be a natural but he won't be found wanting for lack of work ethic. At present he is our best option at 10 and a bloody good option at that. For choice I'd take an in form Cipriani or Ford over an in form Farrell but he is always in form. They are not.</p>
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ah okay thanks.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Pot Hale" data-cid="586657" data-time="1465646299"><p>39 points against Australia at home by a NH team. <br><br>
Is that a first?</p></blockquote>
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<p>And while the penalty count was bad for us - discipline etc - <strong>the bigger factor is WHERE we gave those penalties away. In our half.</strong></p>
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<p>Whereas, from my earlier post: when we got into the red zone England were confident in their line speed and didn't attack the ruck. We were laser-focused on upsetting their ball, and doing that anywhere inside your 40 metres is going to result in issues.</p>
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<p>While i sort of agree with you mate, but indiscipline wherever it is, just robs you of momentum and possession. I should know, I've been an England fan the last, well forever really.</p>
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<p>Wow, did not expect that result. Typical England peaking between world cups again :)</p>
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<p>But seriously, how on earth were they so poor at the world cup with some of the players they have? Australia looked a bit off their game though, I still pick them to win the series once they get going. Having a goal kicker like Farrell is so crucial. A rare off night for Foley certainly didn't help.</p> -
<p>Yep Ritchie. We were lucky Australia didn't turn up. Only way we could win.</p>
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The eddie jones Appointment is looking like a master stroke it has to be said,<br><br>I think his understanding of SH rugby gives them a different edge.
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<p>Yep Ritchie. We were lucky Australia didn't turn up. Only way we could win.</p>
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<p>Calm down. England were bloody good but on reflection, I didn't explicitly say it, so maybe you are entitled to your little sulk. I'll say it more clearly, I'm amazed a team with this quality were so poor in their own world cup.</p>
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<p>Do you think Australia were at their best?</p> -
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Well the Lions put 40 on a couple years ago.</p></blockquote>
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<p>While i sort of agree with you mate, but indiscipline wherever it is, just robs you of momentum and possession. I should know, I've been an England fan the last, well forever really.</p>
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<p>Nice to be on the other side of the ledger for once.</p>
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<p>Yes, but on a couple of occasions we gave away one in your half followed immediately by one in our half e.g. Foley's non-try, which Cheika actually talked about in the presser.</p>
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<p>The ARU have started using FB live for those pressers BTW - good move for those of us without pay TV.</p> -
Nick how do you think they fix the pack without affecting the game plan?<br><br>
Horwill looked good when he came on, Kepu obviously adds a bit more around the track than Holmes, and I still maintain one of Hooper or Fardy needs to make way for an actual #8.<br><br>
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<p>Two injuries to note: Simmons' back and Pocock's concussion. So that question of a #8 might answer itself. </p>
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<p>We were outsmarted at scrum time, so that can be addressed. Sio didn't turn to shit overnight, and Cole used the top two inches more than the rest of it. So Ledesma will have video there, and a week to tweak it. <em>Maybe</em> Slipper comes back in.</p>
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<p>Kepu for Holmes is probably a given. Only reason Sekope was on the bench was time with squad. If Simmons is out, Horwill is promoted automatically. Also think Cheika will go for a 5:3 bench this week so McMahon gets pushed there.</p>
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<p>I wasn't at all impressed with Arnold though Cheika's language post-match seemed to indicate he'd be retained. It was more Arnold's decision making that was the issue - going in isolated, and with the ball not secure enough. Ideally, like Simmons he should stay the fuck away from the ball.</p>
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<p>I think it was mainly our execution that was letting us down. Too many handling errors, too much isolated running. If we have either of those guys at 8, expect us to be more direct and hit England hard around the fringes more this week.</p>
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<p>Eddie's backs proved they're pretty shit at defense with that kind of pace on the ball (he even admitted as much during the presser) and so that part of the plan won't change in theory.</p>
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<p>I think you're right in that the back line is unlikely to change. Cheika's double-playmaker might have helped last night, but I thought Foley used the options he had well, and Kerevi had some nice work with his hands - more than I thought he could. Simply put once we got the ball out the back the Poms were relying a hell of a lot on their flankers to get across and help a bunch of backs who were bamboozled, generally.</p>
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<p>What they had over us was pure pace to turn out half-breaks into run-downs. </p>
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<p>There is a question mark over Horne with what I think was concussion, so maybe one of Morahan or Naiyaravoro come in to the starting lineup, with Lilo and Frisby staying on the bench, and the other winger joining them. Or Hodge? He's a talent. KHunt? Runs good lines I hear :whistle:</p>
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<p>1 Sio</p>
<p>2 Moore</p>
<p>3 Kepu</p>
<p>4 Arnold</p>
<p>5 Horwill</p>
<p>6 Fardy</p>
<p>7 Hooper</p>
<p>8 .... well let's assume Pocock is out - Houston or McCalman.</p>
<div>9 Phipps</div>
<div>10 Foley</div>
<div>11 Naiyaravoro</div>
<div>12 Kerevi</div>
<div>13 Kuridrani</div>
<div>14 DHP</div>
<div>15 Folau</div>
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<div>16 TPN</div>
<div>17 Slipper</div>
<div>18 Holmes</div>
<div>19 Mumm</div>
<div>20 Frisby</div>
<div>21 Lilo</div>
<div>22 Morahan</div><p>1 Sio</p> <p>2 Moore</p> <p>3 Kepu</p> <p>4 Arnold</p> <p>5 Horwill</p> <p>6 Fardy</p> <p>7 Hooper</p> <p>8 .... well let's assume Pocock is out - Houston or McCalman probably.</p> <div> </div> -
Ouch. Sticking your head over the ball in a ruck really is lunacy when you think about it, why do we do it?
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Didn't see the game , this is interesting <br>
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/80974634/Mike-Brown-shoves-Wallabies-assistant-coach-in-heated-sideline-play-in-Brisbane'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/80974634/Mike-Brown-shoves-Wallabies-assistant-coach-in-heated-sideline-play-in-Brisbane</a><br><br>
My fondest memory of Nathan Grey is the opening round of the 2003 s12 and the blues vs tahds game . Grey stood there before the kickoff mouthing off at Sam Tuitupo and got no response from slamming Sammy apart from him spending the next 80 minutes beating him like a rented mule.<br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="586931" data-time="1465691779"><p>Didn't see the game , this is interesting <br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/80974634/Mike-Brown-shoves-Wallabies-assistant-coach-in-heated-sideline-play-in-Brisbane">http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/80974634/Mike-Brown-shoves-Wallabies-assistant-coach-in-heated-sideline-play-in-Brisbane</a><br>
My fondest memory of Nathan Grey is the opening round of the 2003 s12 and the blues vs tahds game . Grey stood there before the kickoff mouthing off at Sam Tuitupo and got no response from slamming Sammy apart from him spending the next 80 minutes beating him like a rented mule.<br>
Twat.</p></blockquote>
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He talked it up in the press before the game too. piston wristed gibbon.
