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    @raymelb said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Machpants same, i thought Reihanas first start of Super Rugby level has been great. First game of the season amd hes performed well. Doesnt help when he has big shoes to fill

    He seemed cumbersome at times but never got charged down or anything did he? Looked right at home.

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    @Bones yea aside from that audacious play from his 50-22, played within himself, has plenty more to give, and certainly learn from.

    Huge ask for either him or Kemara to step into Moungas boots as starters in the opening hit out, sink or swim time.

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    Yeah I thought Reihana improved in the second half. Worth sticking with at 10 for now - Chiefs away is about as tough as it gets in the comp.

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    @taniwharugby said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Bones yea aside from that audacious play from his 50-22, played within himself, has plenty more to give, and certainly learn from.

    Huge ask for either him or Kemara to step into Moungas boots as starters in the opening hit out, sink or swim time.

    The fact he didn't sink to me says quite a bit. He no doubt has gears to his game, and now has the shirt for the time being.

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    He must improve his kicking from hand. Most of his kicks for touch were very short. This is mainly a question of technique for him as he seems to have strong legs. So this could be fixed.

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    I thought I would watch a replay before commenting. This was a game where the team that controlled possession dominated the game. The Chiefs had all the momentum in the 1st half, whereas the Crusaders turned that around in the 2nd half. Happy with the win.

    From a Chiefs perspective, the loss of DMac was huge. It was noticeable how ineffective Ioane's kicking was in comparison and that led to two Crusaders tries. Ioane's strength is his running. I still don't see Boshier as a 7 as he didn't put any pressure on at the breakdown. It will be interesting to see his tackle stats. Parker should have come on earlier. Both locks were busy, and Slater's throwing was good (usually a weakness). ENS and Tupaea were the pick of the backs for me. Narawa was certainly missed to provide more power from deep. LCF tries hard but needs space to operate.

    It was ironic that the Crusaders did a SA by putting Franks back on the field to improve the scrum, and then Moody concedes the penalty. Aumua was as anonymous as I thought he was at the game.

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    @Bovidae said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    I still don't see Boshier as a 7 as he didn't put any pressure on at the breakdown. It will be interesting to see his tackle stats.

    Made 9 missed 2, 0 dominant

    Only Chiefs player with more tackles was Jacobson with 10

    He had 19 ruck arrivals (5th best Chiefs). Jacobson had 31

    I have the full opta stats from the game if you want to know anything else

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    @Duluth I'd be keen to see the tackle and run stats for the starting loose forwards and midfielders.

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    @Bovidae

    The midfielders:

    Player Tackles Missed Dominant Runs Carry metres Dominant carries Ineffective carries
    QT (72mins) 5 2 1 16 140 7 2
    ALB (75mins) 8 1 1 12 77 3 1
    Aumua (61mins) 9 3 1 2 8 0 0
    McLeod (80mins) 8 3 1 12 67 1 1
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    Sheesh, Aumua will wish he was back with MP where he would have the most runs as he'd get the ball every passage of play.

    How do they define ineffective carry? If a player gets a ball behind the line with defenders at the same time yet doesn't turn it over I'd say that's an effective carry, but I assume it would be an ineffective one due to lots ground.

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    @Bovidae

    The loosies

    Player (mins) Tackles Missed Dominant Runs Carry metres Dominant carries Ineffective carries
    LJ (80) 10 3 0 6 14 2 0
    Boshier (76) 9 2 0 3 2 0 0
    Finau (80) 4 0 2 10 24 1 0
    - - - - - - - -
    Grace (80) 17 2 0 8 25 3 1
    Christie (80) 28 2 0 6 20 2 1
    Gardiner (53) 7 2 0 5 11 3 0

    There's ~150 stats per player so I'm just picking the basic ones (plenty of irrelevant ones, every player has multiple lineout throw in stats etc)

    I'll do another table for the loosies on ruck work

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    @Duluth

    I'm guessing these aren't publicly available?

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    @Duluth Jacobson did a dominant tackle early on, so I don't agree with those stats.

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    Player (mins) Ruck Arrival Ruck Arrival Attack Ruck Arrival Defence Penality Turnovers Won
    LJ (80) 31 26 5 1 1
    Boshier (76) 19 17 2 1 0
    Finau (80) 17 15 2 0 0
    - - - - - -
    Grace (80) 17 14 3 0 0
    Christie (80) 22 17 5 2 1
    Gardiner (53) 13 11 2 2 0
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    @bobily2 said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Duluth

    I'm guessing these aren't publicly available?

    Unfortunately not

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    @Bovidae said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    @Duluth Jacobson did a dominant tackle early on, so I don't agree with those stats.

    Yeah the usual caveats about stats. I'm sure they have a very precise definition that won't always match a subjective opinion

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    @Duluth similarly missed tackle stats, I doubt Ratima picked up any stat against him.when he shot out of.the line opening.the hole for Fihaki to run through, but there woulda been 2 other Chiefs players with a missed tackle attributed due to Ratima rushing up.

    Was there 2 of those mouthguard HIA checks last night? There will be some games these are gonna ruin.

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    @taniwharugby said in Chiefs v Crusaders:

    Was there 2 of those mouthguard HIA checks last night? There will be some games these are gonna ruin.

    Apparently players can opt out but doctors have more ability to take them off the field? Not sure on the exact protocols

    Given the tech didn't look up to it I think a bunch of players will opt out soon

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    I was reading an article a few days ago about the new smart mouthguards. Players can request a medical exemption but still need to provide a valid reason. Tate McDermott is one.

    If a player chooses not to wear the mouthguard during games – even during a training week – and is spotted with a suspected concussion during a Super Rugby game, they will not be eligible for an HIA check and a possible return. Instead, they will be removed and not allowed back on

    Iain Payten  /  Feb 20, 2024  /  Rugby Union

    Teething issue: Smart mouthguards the new weapon in concussion battle, but there’s a catch

    Teething issue: Smart mouthguards the new weapon in concussion battle, but there’s a catch

    High-tech mouthguards that cost up to $500 and detect dangerous levels of force to the head during tackles are compulsory for Super Rugby players this year.

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    I am hoping there are some concessions for teams when it comes to subs around the mouthguard. If not I can see teams being disadvantaged and match outcomes influenced. Because rugby needs more if this...

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