Quay Park stadium for Auckland?
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If stadiums made money, private investors would build them. The only stadium that makes money from operations is Eden Park, and even then, that's only before depreciation.
The economics of regional development don't really hold up either as usually they are just moving money around the country. Something like a Lions Tour or world cup is an exception to that as they bring in overseas visitors, but not on a scale that really justifies the expense. If a region doesn't have one, it will find it loses some spending to other regions that do, but again, not enough to justify the expense.
All that said, I don't personally have a problem with councils building stadiums, even big ones - it's an amenity that adds to the vibe of a city. I just wish everyone would stop pretending there's an economic argument in New Zealand and admit that they are being built because we want the ability to watch live shows and sport at big stadiums.
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NZ Rugby's (silver) lake of fire
Another internecine rugby war looms; stadium stuff Pt LXVII; netball has issues; and why watching Will bat is so delightfully frustrating.
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Looks fucking good on paper
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The detailed plans - unveiled for the first time by the Weekend Herald - include up to four hotels - among them a signature All Blacks hotel integrated into the stadium, along with bars, restaurants and retail outlets, commercial office space and scope for about 2000 residential apartments, framed by public plazas and park areas.
Anchoring the precinct is the spectacular 50,000-seat stadium (which can be scaled down to 20,000 capacity for smaller events) with a unique sculptured design inspired by Auckland’s isthmus and cultural heritage.
And rather than inward facing like many stadia, it looks out towards the Waitematā Harbour, with a panorama of Rangitoto. The stadium, which also features an “accordion” style retractable roof, has an iconic look that designers hope in time could become Auckland’s equivalent of the Sydney Opera House.
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Yet again, who's funding it, and where is the land coming from? so many 'concepts' thrown around - I don't even bother reading these any more. Which is going ahead - the Eden Park full roof + extra shit, or this one, or the Wynyard stadium, or the Ports located stadium?
Stadia are cool, but the business cases almost never stack up.
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@Machpants said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Looks fucking good on paper
I doubt if it will ever get the go-ahead. But it looks wonderful
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@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
I don't even bother reading these any more.
I do. I followed the cake tin development with interest back in the Athletic Park days. They eventually got the site right but f++ked up big time on this boring cake tin design.
I just hope Auckland can get it right this time (after the only ok Eden Park upgrade). And aim for something great. We've got in NZ (Wellington) a lot of recent ugly almost soul-destroying buildings. The not-so-new now Wellington stadium is disappointing.
Unless cool designs are out there it will never happen. Granted it likely won't but the process is interesting. To see where NZ is at as a country. And who knows NZ and Auckland might fluke it and get it very right this time.
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@Kirwan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Just finish off Eden Park and stop wasting money. This will never happen.
I’m not a fan of Eden park location wise…I really thought this was put to bed with the 2011 RWC development, thought that was the time to make the big decisions
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@Machpants said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Looks fucking good on paper
I had another look at this.
It really is super impressive. If NZ and Auckland could actually produce something as good as this then go for it.
And not a cut down cheap version either.
'Unique opportunity': Radical design of proposed downtown stadium
The global design team behind the proposed new downtown stadium at Quay Park believe that the arena could one day become Auckland’s version of the Sydney O
It’s a concept that hasn’t been seen in New Zealand – or Australasia before – and could be polarising but the design team wanted to push the boundaries.
“We view every stadium as a unique opportunity,” HKS Australasia director Andrew Colling told the Herald. “Every city deserves a unique response and especially New Zealand. The last thing Auckland needs is another cookie cutter, cake tin solution that is imported from Australia or imported from Europe. We felt very strongly that this was an opportunity to take a fresh start.
“It reflects the unique context and backdrop and hopefully when people see the images they feel a strong sense of connection that yes, this is New Zealand, this is Auckland. That was the key driver; when you are in the stadium you can’t be anywhere else in the world.”
The design is distinctive, from whichever angle, in a massive departure from the standard coliseum bowl. The roof takes inspiration from traditional Maori culture – with its pattern and linework – while the overall structure almost defies description.
“It’s a significant piece of urban sculpture, a big piece of artwork,” said Colling. “We hope it could one day be Auckland’s version of the Sydney Opera House, but in a sports stadium. It has been sculpted to fit a particular part of the city and tie together the various links that used to exist on that site, trying to embrace two different cultural heritages. Hopefully, it becomes an anchor on the eastern side of the city and plays a role in identifying the city as a whole.”
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@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kirwan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Just finish off Eden Park and stop wasting money. This will never happen.
I’m not a fan of Eden park location wise…I really thought this was put to bed with the 2011 RWC development, thought that was the time to make the big decisions
When were last there, with the new transport links it’s trivial to get to. Easy to park as well if you drive.
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@Kirwan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kirwan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Just finish off Eden Park and stop wasting money. This will never happen.
I’m not a fan of Eden park location wise…I really thought this was put to bed with the 2011 RWC development, thought that was the time to make the big decisions
When were last there, with the new transport links it’s trivial to get to. Easy to park as well if you drive.
2022, have some friends that live a couple
Of blocks away, visited for abs v wallabies…was a shit show compared to almost any other major stadium I’ve been too, I was happy we were walking -
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@Kirwan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Have been to every main stadium in the northern hemisphere, except for Italy. Eden Park compares favourably IMO, just wish it was bigger.
Come on, Cardiff shits on it for atmosphere, viewing, and location
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@voodoo said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kirwan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Have been to every main stadium in the northern hemisphere, except for Italy. Eden Park compares favourably IMO, just wish it was bigger.
Come on, Cardiff shits on it for atmosphere, viewing, and location
All I’m saying is it’s far from a shit show, feels a little bit like cultural cringe.
It’s way easier to get to Eden Park than Twickenham, for example.
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eden park is infinitely better than it use to be and the stadium itself is good and the connection to the train station is ok
but it will always be what it is, four separate stands with some weird changes in grade and or misalignments and you will always come out onto small residential streets on three sides and sandringham road might be distributer rd by NZ standards but its till just 1+bus in each direction and for the years i lived a bit further down it its was always blocked up around events
as i say i think they have done as well as can be expected given the constraints and i think IF they were going to do something different it was for the RWC
everything is subjective i guess too, i never found twickenham hard to get too, longer walk from the station but large concourse and carpark around it kind of allowed the growds to disburse
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Bus to and from Eden Park are easy now since the RWC. Traffic free zone means they get away from the ground easily to a variety of different destinations. Parking is also easy enough if you know wherE to go. About a 20 minute walk. The location issues with EP have always been massively overstated. Even walking into the CBD is only an hour or so.
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Isn't part of the charm of Eden Park is that it isn't your stock standard stadium like say Olympic Park? It's a genuine suburban/town park like Twickenham/Murryfield used to be (I haven't been to either in 20 years so not sure if they've been stadium-ified since then.
I'm not from Auckland and have never had trouble finding a park within walking distance of the ground.
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