Black Caps - Bangladesh tour
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Back in the early 2000s I returned to NZ after a few years living in a cricketing-free country. People on this board people were criticising the continued selection of Craig McMillan in the NZ test team. I couldn't understand this at all as he still had a great career record , especially by NZ standards, but they were right.
If an NZ astronaut returned from a few years on Mars today and read the cricisisms of Henry Nicholls they'd be very confused.
But the 'last few years' record, the 'away from home' record, the seeing with your own eyes the bazillion second/3rd/4th/5th chances the Windies, Pak, Lankans etc give him is the real form. Not the career stats on his cricinfo page.
I, also, can see the reasons for continuing to pick him. But someone needs to make an 'unpopular' call.
It feels wrong to curse a kiwi double century, but that one hurt us.
I’ll always use an average of 40 as the cut off between “good” and “very good” and Nicholls is firmly in the “good” category, which is rightly where Craig McMillan ended up too. You know, guys worth a place in the team provided there were others there to provide the genuine class ( McMillan never really had that, Fleming maybe ? )
But yeah I see your point, Nicholls has had moments of being quite shite in getting that average of 38.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
How is being compared to Guptill insulting ? His ODI record is absolutely class.
I said technique. Watching Guptill play you can see why his game didn't translate to test cricket
Conversely Ravindra's game looks suited for test cricket. The footwork between the two are vastly different.
I just don't see the purpose of keeping Ravindra out whilst there are major cracks in the batting lineup.
Get him in the team and get him up to speed by playing.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
second/3rd/4th/5th chances the Windies, Pak
Kane was dropped twice in his 100 in the first innings chanceless centuries are not as common as they were.
Kanes century was outstanding I do not down grade it because he was dropped twice.
Conway was dropped scoring his last test century still a great 100 for me it is in the scorebook like Nicholls 200 even if he gave 4 chances.
That makes up for the shit decision freak run out or Jaffa ball that gets you out.
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
How is being compared to Guptill insulting ? His ODI record is absolutely class.
I said technique. Watching Guptill play you can see why his game didn't translate to test cricket
Conversely Ravindra's game looks suited for test cricket. The footwork between the two are vastly different.
I just don't see the purpose of keeping Ravindra out whilst there are major cracks in the batting lineup.
Get him in the team and get him up to speed by playing.
Well the records show it didn’t. From memory the runs he did get at test level were agains minnows too ?
All I was saying is that guys can look a million bucks in ODI and not translate that to Test cricket. The jury is still very much out on Ravindra.
…..and while you’re mentioning technique and while Ravindra scored huge runs in the recent World Cup it’s worth mentioning Guptil got a double hundred at the WC in 2015. He must have had some technique to manage that !
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 I was talking about watching Ravindra play and you were saying you didn't see him face a single ball during Cricket World Cup?
I think we’re kind of agreeing in a roundabout way.
If Ravindra does become a success at test level I won’t be surprised. We’ll see. I hope he does cos Nicholls and test cricket are starting to wear a bit thin for me.
I don’t think Will Young is ready for the international scrap heap just yet either.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Voges had a funny old career. If I remember rightly he plundered a really bad Windies team at home which helped skyrocket the average to Bradman levels and then as it petered off to “only” around 60 odd they realised younger players were there waiting for a chance and he was dropped.
Yeah- he plundered the Windies (average vs them 542) and, unfortunately us as well (average 99).
Less successful against England Sri Lanka and SA (average 7.5 against the Jaaps).
A few like Conway and Marnus who have had fabulous short run averages in recent times, but are slowly subsiding to their natural level.
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@canefan said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
What is Nicholls' average abroad vs home?
I can’t cut and paste for some reason but at home he averages a world class 48 from 33 tests. Eight of his nine test tons scored here.
Abroad he is pretty ordinary 25 from 22 tests. ( this will go down even more after this test )
That’s a pretty ugly discrepancy.
As the fuck you bloody crowd like to point out KW is also something of a home track bully. 66 at home in 45 tests vs 46 in 50 away. 16 tons at home vs 13 away.
So in KWs case he is excellent abroad but otherworldly at home.
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@Damo said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Sodhi sawn off with a dreadful decision but successfully reviewed.
Could that be the decisive moment in the test?
I really do enjoy your ridiculous optimism fella
Right that nonsense is over, let’s flush the dunny and move on.
Losing to Bangladesh isn’t as embarrassing as it once was, they’re a decent team now especially at home.
So what happens now ? Does Ravindra get a go at the expense of Nicholls ? Glenn Phillips did well enough with the bat but with the ball he was a revelation…..or was this a fluke as sometimes happens in cricket ? ( Allan Border once took 11 wickets in a test vs the Windies after all ) Mitchell continues to stand with the GOATs in terms of stats for the time being.
How was Blundells keeping ? Cos his batting was shite……
KW is KW.
Latham and Conway did fuck all but they’re both well and truly safe.
Sodhi was a bit ordinary but he’ll be fine due to the “having a spinner in the subcontinent” clause that is there by default.
All told I can see just one possible change, Ravindra in for either Nicholls or Phillips.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Damo said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Sodhi sawn off with a dreadful decision but successfully reviewed.
Could that be the decisive moment in the test?
I really do enjoy your ridiculous optimism fella
Right that nonsense is over, let’s flush the dunny and move on.
Losing to Bangladesh isn’t as embarrassing as it once was, they’re a decent team now especially at home.
So what happens now ? Does Ravindra get a go at the expense of Nicholls ? Glenn Phillips did well enough with the bat but with the ball he was a revelation…..or was this a fluke as sometimes happens in cricket ? ( Allan Border once took 11 wickets in a test vs the Windies after all ) Mitchell continues to stand with the GOATs in terms of stats for the time being.
How was Blundells keeping ?
KW is KW.
Latham and Conway did fuck all but they’re both well and truly safe.
Sodhi was a bit ordinary but he’ll be fine due to the “having a spinner in the subcontinent” clause that is there by default.
All told I can see just one possible change, Ravindra in for either Nicholls or Phillips.
I think Ravindra has earnt a chance at test cricket. I would drop Nicholls for him. I have had enough of Nicholls. I don't think he's up to it, especially overseas and/or against quality opposition.
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@Damo said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Damo said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Sodhi sawn off with a dreadful decision but successfully reviewed.
Could that be the decisive moment in the test?
I really do enjoy your ridiculous optimism fella
Right that nonsense is over, let’s flush the dunny and move on.
Losing to Bangladesh isn’t as embarrassing as it once was, they’re a decent team now especially at home.
So what happens now ? Does Ravindra get a go at the expense of Nicholls ? Glenn Phillips did well enough with the bat but with the ball he was a revelation…..or was this a fluke as sometimes happens in cricket ? ( Allan Border once took 11 wickets in a test vs the Windies after all ) Mitchell continues to stand with the GOATs in terms of stats for the time being.
How was Blundells keeping ?
KW is KW.
Latham and Conway did fuck all but they’re both well and truly safe.
Sodhi was a bit ordinary but he’ll be fine due to the “having a spinner in the subcontinent” clause that is there by default.
All told I can see just one possible change, Ravindra in for either Nicholls or Phillips.
I think Ravindra has earnt a chance at test cricket. I would drop Nicholls for him. I have had enough of Nicholls. I don't think he's up to it, especially overseas and/or against quality opposition.
Yeah that is kinda my feeling too but the unbeaten double ton gets him a shitload of credit in the bank as it often does with him. ( he must have been sailing close to the edge before then )
Despite my misgivings a few posts ago I’d have to say Ravindra is worth a shot.
In saying that Phillips is new to the team and despite the bowling and a solid 42 he could be in danger of the chop
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Glenn Phillips did well enough with the bat but with the ball he was a revelation…..or was this a fluke as sometimes happens in cricket ?
Not really a revelation, I mentioned him as the best spin option earlier in the thread, and people kept saying that we needed a specialist spinner. The fact that he can bat a bit (more white ball so far) doesn't change anything with regards to his bowling. I repeatedly asked who this specialist spinner was, and, unsurprisingly, no one was forthcoming with an option. He's our best bet at the moment regardless of whether it was a fluke. M Bracewell is in the same boat, he can knock a white ball around, which is an added bonus to him being another option in our limited spin bowling stocks.
It actually feels like a spinner needs to be shit at batting in order to be any good at bowling around here!
Yes, I know that Phillips and Bracewell weren't originally spinners but hey, just because I have always operated aeroplanes didn't stop me from learning (quite successfully) diggers a few years back.
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
All I was saying is that guys can look a million bucks in ODI and not translate that to Test cricket. The jury is still very much out on Ravindra.
Yep re first sentence. Second one, for a jury to be out you need to have a trial (test, in this case - yes I know he has had 3). Now would seem like a good time to give him his appeal in court and face the jury again. For me, Nicholls goes (yes tough) because we probably won't lose anything batting wise (may gain a lot esp long term) and a little bonus if Ravindra rolls his arm over as well.
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