Black Caps - Bangladesh tour
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MajorRage said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MajorRage said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
What a complete load of shit.
Why is it that the mentality that give us a decent shot in a T20 / ODI is so lacking in test cricket? Before everybody puts their answers out, then please explain why other countries do not have the same issue?
Including a player in the test side who just hit 3 centuries, 2 half centuries at an average over 70 in the recent World Cup might be a good start....
Doing well in ODI is no guarantee a guy will excel in tests
True. But surely it means they deserve a shot and the chance to work their way into it?
Yes.
But who do they drop? Nichols seems the obvious option but he’s due that huge career saving knock where he gets dropped twenty times before he’s even got to 50…..
Whenever a guy does well in ODIs I automatically think of Martin Guptill or Geoff Allott….
I think there is a cricket playing population critical mass where you can genuinely select teams for ODI / T20 / Test purposes and we just aren't there.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Whenever a guy does well in ODIs I automatically think of Martin Guptill or Geoff Allott….
Did you actually watch Ravindra play in the World Cup?
Comparing his technique to Guptill is insulting.
He looks like the best prospect to come along in a long time for NZ.
Not to mention excelling in Indian conditions which aren't worlds different from Bangladesh.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MajorRage said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MajorRage said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
What a complete load of shit.
Why is it that the mentality that give us a decent shot in a T20 / ODI is so lacking in test cricket? Before everybody puts their answers out, then please explain why other countries do not have the same issue?
Including a player in the test side who just hit 3 centuries, 2 half centuries at an average over 70 in the recent World Cup might be a good start....
Doing well in ODI is no guarantee a guy will excel in tests
True. But surely it means they deserve a shot and the chance to work their way into it?
Yes.
But who do they drop? Nichols seems the obvious option but he’s due that huge career saving knock where he gets dropped twenty times before he’s even got to 50…..
Whenever a guy does well in ODIs I automatically think of Martin Guptill or Geoff Allott….
Yeah 100% that is the issue,The game is littered with batsmen with ODI sucess who have failed in test cricket, white ball cricket is batsmen friendly in a big way,Totally different game in so may ways.
I would like to see Ravindra in the test team but selection is no guarantee of success.
Even though Nicholls failed he still made 200 in his last test and sits 9th on the all time list of century makers for NZ with 9 test centuries hard to throw that away.
Blundel failed even worse and his keeping was ragged and they batted him at 6.
If Nicholls fails in the next test goes home for the home season and is not scoring runs inn the domestic comps then time to give someone else a go.David Warner and Steve Smith went through lean patches but were backed by the selector and have repaid the faith.
And before any arm chair selector comes back with they had proven track records etc so has Nicholls by NZ standard in Test cricket.Big fan of Ravindra he could be a great but I see the Black caps thinking and this will also be Southee and Williamson's views as they are selectors on away tours.
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Whenever a guy does well in ODIs I automatically think of Martin Guptill or Geoff Allott….
Did you actually watch Ravindra play in the World Cup?
Comparing his technique to Guptill is insulting.
He looks like the best prospect to come along in a long time for NZ.
Not to mention excelling in Indian conditions which aren't worlds different from Bangladesh.
No. Didn’t see a single ball of any of his innings.
Yes he’s done great but I can’t see them dropping anyone soon ( emphasis on soon, it may happen later in the season )
How is being compared to Guptill insulting ? His ODI record is absolutely class.
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Back in the early 2000s I returned to NZ after a few years living in a cricketing-free country. People on this board people were criticising the continued selection of Craig McMillan in the NZ test team. I couldn't understand this at all as he still had a great career record , especially by NZ standards, but they were right.
If an NZ astronaut returned from a few years on Mars today and read the cricisisms of Henry Nicholls they'd be very confused.
But the 'last few years' record, the 'away from home' record, the seeing with your own eyes the bazillion second/3rd/4th/5th chances the Windies, Pak, Lankans etc give him is the real form. Not the career stats on his cricinfo page.
I, also, can see the reasons for continuing to pick him. But someone needs to make an 'unpopular' call.
It feels wrong to curse a kiwi double century, but that one hurt us.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Back in the early 2000s I returned to NZ after a few years living in a cricketing-free country. People on this board people were criticising the continued selection of Craig McMillan in the NZ test team. I couldn't understand this at all as he still had a great career record , especially by NZ standards, but they were right.
If an NZ astronaut returned from a few years on Mars today and read the cricisisms of Henry Nicholls they'd be very confused.
But the 'last few years' record, the 'away from home' record, the seeing with your own eyes the bazillion second/3rd/4th/5th chances the Windies, Pak, Lankans etc give him is the real form. Not the career stats on his cricinfo page.
I, also, can see the reasons for continuing to pick him. But someone needs to make an 'unpopular' call.
It feels wrong to curse a kiwi double century, but that one hurt us.
I’ll always use an average of 40 as the cut off between “good” and “very good” and Nicholls is firmly in the “good” category, which is rightly where Craig McMillan ended up too. You know, guys worth a place in the team provided there were others there to provide the genuine class ( McMillan never really had that, Fleming maybe ? )
But yeah I see your point, Nicholls has had moments of being quite shite in getting that average of 38.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
How is being compared to Guptill insulting ? His ODI record is absolutely class.
I said technique. Watching Guptill play you can see why his game didn't translate to test cricket
Conversely Ravindra's game looks suited for test cricket. The footwork between the two are vastly different.
I just don't see the purpose of keeping Ravindra out whilst there are major cracks in the batting lineup.
Get him in the team and get him up to speed by playing.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
second/3rd/4th/5th chances the Windies, Pak
Kane was dropped twice in his 100 in the first innings chanceless centuries are not as common as they were.
Kanes century was outstanding I do not down grade it because he was dropped twice.
Conway was dropped scoring his last test century still a great 100 for me it is in the scorebook like Nicholls 200 even if he gave 4 chances.
That makes up for the shit decision freak run out or Jaffa ball that gets you out.
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
How is being compared to Guptill insulting ? His ODI record is absolutely class.
I said technique. Watching Guptill play you can see why his game didn't translate to test cricket
Conversely Ravindra's game looks suited for test cricket. The footwork between the two are vastly different.
I just don't see the purpose of keeping Ravindra out whilst there are major cracks in the batting lineup.
Get him in the team and get him up to speed by playing.
Well the records show it didn’t. From memory the runs he did get at test level were agains minnows too ?
All I was saying is that guys can look a million bucks in ODI and not translate that to Test cricket. The jury is still very much out on Ravindra.
…..and while you’re mentioning technique and while Ravindra scored huge runs in the recent World Cup it’s worth mentioning Guptil got a double hundred at the WC in 2015. He must have had some technique to manage that !
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 I was talking about watching Ravindra play and you were saying you didn't see him face a single ball during Cricket World Cup?
I think we’re kind of agreeing in a roundabout way.
If Ravindra does become a success at test level I won’t be surprised. We’ll see. I hope he does cos Nicholls and test cricket are starting to wear a bit thin for me.
I don’t think Will Young is ready for the international scrap heap just yet either.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Voges had a funny old career. If I remember rightly he plundered a really bad Windies team at home which helped skyrocket the average to Bradman levels and then as it petered off to “only” around 60 odd they realised younger players were there waiting for a chance and he was dropped.
Yeah- he plundered the Windies (average vs them 542) and, unfortunately us as well (average 99).
Less successful against England Sri Lanka and SA (average 7.5 against the Jaaps).
A few like Conway and Marnus who have had fabulous short run averages in recent times, but are slowly subsiding to their natural level.
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@canefan said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
What is Nicholls' average abroad vs home?
I can’t cut and paste for some reason but at home he averages a world class 48 from 33 tests. Eight of his nine test tons scored here.
Abroad he is pretty ordinary 25 from 22 tests. ( this will go down even more after this test )
That’s a pretty ugly discrepancy.
As the fuck you bloody crowd like to point out KW is also something of a home track bully. 66 at home in 45 tests vs 46 in 50 away. 16 tons at home vs 13 away.
So in KWs case he is excellent abroad but otherworldly at home.
