Black Caps - Bangladesh tour
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@nzzp said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
I think I read that Bangles haven't won at home since 2018 or something. Will look it up
Not many games, but yeah - they beat Zimbos in 2020 (which didn't count for WTC) and other than that it was the WI.
This is going to be an ugly loss.
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A really poor batting performance in this innings Bangladesh scored 338 on this wkt 3rd innings the wkt has not changed in the last 2 days.
The mode of dismissals has been based on some very average technique.Boys need to get in the nets and work out some decent batting plans to combat the Spin bowlers.
Saqlain Mushtaq needs to earn his pay. -
French level resistance here
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This is why Australia, England and India play amongst themselves.
Fancy losing to a country constantly submerged in floods.
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I'm hoping Mitch Jr. can get a not out and advance up this averages table in a Harry Brook/Adam Voges kind of way.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/highest-career-batting-average-282910
He needs 2 runs to match Wally Hammond, 6 runs to go past Steve Smith and Everton Weekes, and 8 to beat Ken Barrington.
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
I'm hoping Mitch Jr. can get a not out and advance up this averages table in a Harry Brook/Adam Voges kind of way.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/highest-career-batting-average-282910
He needs 2 runs to match Wally Hammond, 6 runs to go past Steve Smith and Everton Weekes, and 8 to beat Ken Barrington.
I’m glad you threw that in.
Voges had a funny old career. If I remember rightly he plundered a really bad Windies team at home which helped skyrocket the average to Bradman levels and then as it petered off to “only” around 60 odd they realised younger players were there waiting for a chance and he was dropped.
Mitchell has already got five not outs (including now ) in 27 innings to help boost the average. Brian Lara got just six in his entire career !
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@MajorRage said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
What a complete load of shit.
Why is it that the mentality that give us a decent shot in a T20 / ODI is so lacking in test cricket? Before everybody puts their answers out, then please explain why other countries do not have the same issue?
Including a player in the test side who just hit 3 centuries, 2 half centuries at an average over 70 in the recent World Cup might be a good start....
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MajorRage said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
What a complete load of shit.
Why is it that the mentality that give us a decent shot in a T20 / ODI is so lacking in test cricket? Before everybody puts their answers out, then please explain why other countries do not have the same issue?
Including a player in the test side who just hit 3 centuries, 2 half centuries at an average over 70 in the recent World Cup might be a good start....
Doing well in ODI is no guarantee a guy will excel in tests
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MajorRage said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
What a complete load of shit.
Why is it that the mentality that give us a decent shot in a T20 / ODI is so lacking in test cricket? Before everybody puts their answers out, then please explain why other countries do not have the same issue?
Including a player in the test side who just hit 3 centuries, 2 half centuries at an average over 70 in the recent World Cup might be a good start....
Doing well in ODI is no guarantee a guy will excel in tests
True. But surely it means they deserve a shot and the chance to work their way into it?
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@MajorRage said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MajorRage said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
What a complete load of shit.
Why is it that the mentality that give us a decent shot in a T20 / ODI is so lacking in test cricket? Before everybody puts their answers out, then please explain why other countries do not have the same issue?
Including a player in the test side who just hit 3 centuries, 2 half centuries at an average over 70 in the recent World Cup might be a good start....
Doing well in ODI is no guarantee a guy will excel in tests
True. But surely it means they deserve a shot and the chance to work their way into it?
Yes.
But who do they drop? Nichols seems the obvious option but he’s due that huge career saving knock where he gets dropped twenty times before he’s even got to 50…..
Whenever a guy does well in ODIs I automatically think of Martin Guptill or Geoff Allott….
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MajorRage said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MajorRage said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
What a complete load of shit.
Why is it that the mentality that give us a decent shot in a T20 / ODI is so lacking in test cricket? Before everybody puts their answers out, then please explain why other countries do not have the same issue?
Including a player in the test side who just hit 3 centuries, 2 half centuries at an average over 70 in the recent World Cup might be a good start....
Doing well in ODI is no guarantee a guy will excel in tests
True. But surely it means they deserve a shot and the chance to work their way into it?
Yes.
But who do they drop? Nichols seems the obvious option but he’s due that huge career saving knock where he gets dropped twenty times before he’s even got to 50…..
Whenever a guy does well in ODIs I automatically think of Martin Guptill or Geoff Allott….
I think there is a cricket playing population critical mass where you can genuinely select teams for ODI / T20 / Test purposes and we just aren't there.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Whenever a guy does well in ODIs I automatically think of Martin Guptill or Geoff Allott….
Did you actually watch Ravindra play in the World Cup?
Comparing his technique to Guptill is insulting.
He looks like the best prospect to come along in a long time for NZ.
Not to mention excelling in Indian conditions which aren't worlds different from Bangladesh.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MajorRage said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MajorRage said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
What a complete load of shit.
Why is it that the mentality that give us a decent shot in a T20 / ODI is so lacking in test cricket? Before everybody puts their answers out, then please explain why other countries do not have the same issue?
Including a player in the test side who just hit 3 centuries, 2 half centuries at an average over 70 in the recent World Cup might be a good start....
Doing well in ODI is no guarantee a guy will excel in tests
True. But surely it means they deserve a shot and the chance to work their way into it?
Yes.
But who do they drop? Nichols seems the obvious option but he’s due that huge career saving knock where he gets dropped twenty times before he’s even got to 50…..
Whenever a guy does well in ODIs I automatically think of Martin Guptill or Geoff Allott….
Yeah 100% that is the issue,The game is littered with batsmen with ODI sucess who have failed in test cricket, white ball cricket is batsmen friendly in a big way,Totally different game in so may ways.
I would like to see Ravindra in the test team but selection is no guarantee of success.
Even though Nicholls failed he still made 200 in his last test and sits 9th on the all time list of century makers for NZ with 9 test centuries hard to throw that away.
Blundel failed even worse and his keeping was ragged and they batted him at 6.
If Nicholls fails in the next test goes home for the home season and is not scoring runs inn the domestic comps then time to give someone else a go.David Warner and Steve Smith went through lean patches but were backed by the selector and have repaid the faith.
And before any arm chair selector comes back with they had proven track records etc so has Nicholls by NZ standard in Test cricket.Big fan of Ravindra he could be a great but I see the Black caps thinking and this will also be Southee and Williamson's views as they are selectors on away tours.
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Whenever a guy does well in ODIs I automatically think of Martin Guptill or Geoff Allott….
Did you actually watch Ravindra play in the World Cup?
Comparing his technique to Guptill is insulting.
He looks like the best prospect to come along in a long time for NZ.
Not to mention excelling in Indian conditions which aren't worlds different from Bangladesh.
No. Didn’t see a single ball of any of his innings.
Yes he’s done great but I can’t see them dropping anyone soon ( emphasis on soon, it may happen later in the season )
How is being compared to Guptill insulting ? His ODI record is absolutely class.
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Back in the early 2000s I returned to NZ after a few years living in a cricketing-free country. People on this board people were criticising the continued selection of Craig McMillan in the NZ test team. I couldn't understand this at all as he still had a great career record , especially by NZ standards, but they were right.
If an NZ astronaut returned from a few years on Mars today and read the cricisisms of Henry Nicholls they'd be very confused.
But the 'last few years' record, the 'away from home' record, the seeing with your own eyes the bazillion second/3rd/4th/5th chances the Windies, Pak, Lankans etc give him is the real form. Not the career stats on his cricinfo page.
I, also, can see the reasons for continuing to pick him. But someone needs to make an 'unpopular' call.
It feels wrong to curse a kiwi double century, but that one hurt us.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Back in the early 2000s I returned to NZ after a few years living in a cricketing-free country. People on this board people were criticising the continued selection of Craig McMillan in the NZ test team. I couldn't understand this at all as he still had a great career record , especially by NZ standards, but they were right.
If an NZ astronaut returned from a few years on Mars today and read the cricisisms of Henry Nicholls they'd be very confused.
But the 'last few years' record, the 'away from home' record, the seeing with your own eyes the bazillion second/3rd/4th/5th chances the Windies, Pak, Lankans etc give him is the real form. Not the career stats on his cricinfo page.
I, also, can see the reasons for continuing to pick him. But someone needs to make an 'unpopular' call.
It feels wrong to curse a kiwi double century, but that one hurt us.
I’ll always use an average of 40 as the cut off between “good” and “very good” and Nicholls is firmly in the “good” category, which is rightly where Craig McMillan ended up too. You know, guys worth a place in the team provided there were others there to provide the genuine class ( McMillan never really had that, Fleming maybe ? )
But yeah I see your point, Nicholls has had moments of being quite shite in getting that average of 38.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
How is being compared to Guptill insulting ? His ODI record is absolutely class.
I said technique. Watching Guptill play you can see why his game didn't translate to test cricket
Conversely Ravindra's game looks suited for test cricket. The footwork between the two are vastly different.
I just don't see the purpose of keeping Ravindra out whilst there are major cracks in the batting lineup.
Get him in the team and get him up to speed by playing.
