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    #6018

    @Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:

    @reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:

    Hoskins clearly should have been picked over Sititi on form and merit. Why no outcry there? Would there be if he were a crusader?

    What? No outcry, do you just skip hundreds of posts?

    @sparky in particular was in fine form White Knighting Sotutu ( and A Ioane ) saying amongst other things that opposition teams fear him and he would be a “transformation player” if he qualified for England.

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    @reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:

    Hoskins clearly should have been picked over Sititi on form and merit. Why no outcry there? Would there be if he were a crusader?

    Umm, where have you been? There was plenty of outcry about Hoskins omission. Sititi hasn't really played until last week so his performances weren't up to be questioned like Slackbladder's, regardless of where he plays.

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    I’m guessing rightly or wrongly razor went into selecting his loosies based on opinions he already had about certain players from his coaching for and against during super rugby .

    So for example if he coached the crusaders to get the better of the blues in his time , particularly in the forwards , those opinions were set in stone before 2024 kicked off .

    Just a hunch .

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    @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:

    I’m guessing rightly or wrongly razor went into selecting his loosies based on opinions he already had about certain players from his coaching for and against during super rugby .

    So for example if he coached the crusaders to get the better of the blues in his time , particularly in the forwards , those opinions were set in stone before 2024 kicked off .

    Just a hunch .

    Forget Ioane and Sotutu, Cullen Grace is definitely the most unlucky guy to miss out

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    @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:

    @reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:

    @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:

    Any injury ravaged player from any other franchise, with no recent form or any body of work in black, would never have made this squad. Given that, the scrutiny on his performances given who he was selected ahead of at 6 is warranted. Yes a number of other players have under performed, but at least they were selected on either recent form or their body of work in black (e.g. Ardie). Blackadder had neither, and given his performances to date, people are rightly asking the question as to why he was preferred over other players in career best form.

    He's played better than Finau (who was given the 2 first starts against England in the A team), and Jacobson, so the selection questions now should be directed at them in my opinion. There are only a couple of posts questioning them being there, and heaps around Blackadder.
    As I've said repeatedly, I wouldn't have picked Blackadder initially. In my opinion now, he's been well worth his place. Who hasn't: Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Jacobson, Finau, TJP, Christie, Jordie, Rieko, Telea, Reece, Jordan, Beauden. Arguably Savea too. Yet Blackadder cops more shit than the rest of them combined? That's just fucken weird.

    I'll try one more time, not sure if I'm being clear enough.

    All of the players you listed were picked on recent form or previous performances in black, their selections have not fucked with the balance of their positions, and there were no real clear or obvious better players to pick. On the flipside, Blackadder was picked on the back of no recent form as he's been injured so much, and no previous stand out performances in black. On top of that, his selection has fucked the balance of the loose forwards as we already have a stack of players like him in other positions, and he's been picked ahead of a player who was in career best form, had just finished dominating the other loosies selected in the squad in the finals of SR, and has had dominant performances in black in the past. Blackadder was then fast tracked into the starting lineup as soon as he was fit.

    So given all of that, there is nothing weird about the focus on him. It was a clearly biased selection, and if that selection was to be justified then he'd better play the fucking house down. Against the might of a weakened Fiji team he looked well off the pace, and his subsequent performances have been OK without having any real impact on the game. So his selection has not been justified at all, and a lot of All Black fans (outside of Canterbury) are frustrated by it given our biggest weakness right now is our loosies.

    Agreed.

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    #6023

    Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

    Carries Per 80 Minutes
    19.39 Sititi
    16.79 Savea
    10.85 Finau
    8.09 Cane
    7.87 Blackadder
    4.67 Papali'i
    2.63 Jacobson

    Tackers Per 80 Minutes
    16.17 Cane
    15.74 Blackadder
    14.55 Sititi
    14.24 Finau
    13.68 Jacobson
    12.85 Papali'i
    11.04 Savea

    Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
    4.85 Sititi
    4.74 Jacobson
    2.42 Savea
    2.10 Blackadder
    1.36 Finau
    0.43 Cane
    0 Papali'i

    Turnovers won per 80 minutes
    1.62 Sititi
    0.88 Papali'i
    0.6 Savea
    0.52 Blackadder
    0.43 Cane
    0 Finau, Jacobson

    Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
    11.31 Sititi
    6.8 Savea
    4.75 Finau
    3.15 Blackadder
    2.05 Papali'i
    1.7 Cane
    1.06 Jacobson

    Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
    4.98 Blackadder
    4.85 Sititi
    4.75 Finau
    3.83 Cane
    2.34 Papali'i
    2.27 Savea
    2.11 Jacobson

    Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
    6.46 Sititi
    4.53 Savea
    0 Finau
    -0.29 Papali'i
    -1.05 Jacobson
    -1.83 Blackadder
    -2.13 Cane

    Based on those stats my loose trio:

    6 Finau
    7 Savea
    8 Sititi
    21 Papali'i

    * Without consideration of rucks attended

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    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

    Carries Per 80 Minutes
    19.39 Sititi
    16.79 Savea
    10.85 Finau
    8.09 Cane
    7.87 Blackadder
    4.67 Papali'i
    2.63 Jacobson

    Tackers Per 80 Minutes
    16.17 Cane
    15.74 Blackadder
    14.55 Sititi
    14.24 Finau
    13.68 Jacobson
    12.85 Papali'i
    11.04 Savea

    Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
    4.85 Sititi
    4.74 Jacobson
    2.42 Savea
    2.10 Blackadder
    1.36 Finau
    0.43 Cane
    0 Papali'i

    Turnovers won per 80 minutes
    1.62 Sititi
    0.88 Papali'i
    0.6 Savea
    0.52 Blackadder
    0.43 Cane
    0 Finau, Jacobson

    Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
    11.31 Sititi
    6.8 Savea
    4.75 Finau
    3.15 Blackadder
    2.05 Papali'i
    1.7 Cane
    1.06 Jacobson

    Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
    4.98 Blackadder
    4.85 Sititi
    4.75 Finau
    3.83 Cane
    2.34 Papali'i
    2.27 Savea
    2.11 Jacobson

    Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
    6.46 Sititi
    4.53 Savea
    0 Finau
    -0.29 Papali'i
    -1.05 Jacobson
    -1.83 Blackadder
    -2.13 Cane

    Based on the stats my loose trio:

    6 Finau
    7 Savea
    8 Sititi
    21 Papali'i

    * Without consideration of rucks attended

    Thats a lot of information. Wallace is doing okay on those metrics

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    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

    Carries Per 80 Minutes
    19.39 Sititi
    16.79 Savea
    10.85 Finau
    8.09 Cane
    7.87 Blackadder
    4.67 Papali'i
    2.63 Jacobson

    Tackers Per 80 Minutes
    16.17 Cane
    15.74 Blackadder
    14.55 Sititi
    14.24 Finau
    13.68 Jacobson
    12.85 Papali'i
    11.04 Savea

    Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
    4.85 Sititi
    4.74 Jacobson
    2.42 Savea
    2.10 Blackadder
    1.36 Finau
    0.43 Cane
    0 Papali'i

    Turnovers won per 80 minutes
    1.62 Sititi
    0.88 Papali'i
    0.6 Savea
    0.52 Blackadder
    0.43 Cane
    0 Finau, Jacobson

    Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
    11.31 Sititi
    6.8 Savea
    4.75 Finau
    3.15 Blackadder
    2.05 Papali'i
    1.7 Cane
    1.06 Jacobson

    Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
    4.98 Blackadder
    4.85 Sititi
    4.75 Finau
    3.83 Cane
    2.34 Papali'i
    2.27 Savea
    2.11 Jacobson

    Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
    6.46 Sititi
    4.53 Savea
    0 Finau
    -0.29 Papali'i
    -1.05 Jacobson
    -1.83 Blackadder
    -2.13 Papali'i

    Based on the stats my loose trio:

    6 Finau
    7 Savea
    8 Sititi
    21 Papali'i

    * Without consideration of rucks attended

    Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

    Carries Per 80 Minutes
    19.39 Sititi
    16.79 Savea
    10.85 Finau
    8.09 Cane
    7.87 Blackadder
    4.67 Papali'i
    2.63 Jacobson

    Tackers Per 80 Minutes
    16.17 Cane
    15.74 Blackadder
    14.55 Sititi
    14.24 Finau
    13.68 Jacobson
    12.85 Papali'i
    11.04 Savea

    Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
    4.85 Sititi
    4.74 Jacobson
    2.42 Savea
    2.10 Blackadder
    1.36 Finau
    0.43 Cane
    0 Papali'i

    Turnovers won per 80 minutes
    1.62 Sititi
    0.88 Papali'i
    0.6 Savea
    0.52 Blackadder
    0.43 Cane
    0 Finau, Jacobson

    Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
    11.31 Sititi
    6.8 Savea
    4.75 Finau
    3.15 Blackadder
    2.05 Papali'i
    1.7 Cane
    1.06 Jacobson

    Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
    4.98 Blackadder
    4.85 Sititi
    4.75 Finau
    3.83 Cane
    2.34 Papali'i
    2.27 Savea
    2.11 Jacobson

    Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
    6.46 Sititi
    4.53 Savea
    0 Finau
    -0.29 Papali'i
    -1.05 Jacobson
    -1.83 Blackadder
    -2.13 Papali'i

    Based on the stats my loose trio:

    6 Finau
    7 Savea
    8 Sititi
    21 Papali'i

    * Without consideration of rucks attended

    Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

    They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

    They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

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    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

    Carries Per 80 Minutes
    19.39 Sititi
    16.79 Savea
    10.85 Finau
    8.09 Cane
    7.87 Blackadder
    4.67 Papali'i
    2.63 Jacobson

    Tackers Per 80 Minutes
    16.17 Cane
    15.74 Blackadder
    14.55 Sititi
    14.24 Finau
    13.68 Jacobson
    12.85 Papali'i
    11.04 Savea

    Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
    4.85 Sititi
    4.74 Jacobson
    2.42 Savea
    2.10 Blackadder
    1.36 Finau
    0.43 Cane
    0 Papali'i

    Turnovers won per 80 minutes
    1.62 Sititi
    0.88 Papali'i
    0.6 Savea
    0.52 Blackadder
    0.43 Cane
    0 Finau, Jacobson

    Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
    11.31 Sititi
    6.8 Savea
    4.75 Finau
    3.15 Blackadder
    2.05 Papali'i
    1.7 Cane
    1.06 Jacobson

    Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
    4.98 Blackadder
    4.85 Sititi
    4.75 Finau
    3.83 Cane
    2.34 Papali'i
    2.27 Savea
    2.11 Jacobson

    Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
    6.46 Sititi
    4.53 Savea
    0 Finau
    -0.29 Papali'i
    -1.05 Jacobson
    -1.83 Blackadder
    -2.13 Papali'i

    Based on the stats my loose trio:

    6 Finau
    7 Savea
    8 Sititi
    21 Papali'i

    * Without consideration of rucks attended

    Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

    They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

    They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

    But they fit yours aye.
    Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.
    Stats are not the be all and end all of what goes on the field its a interpretation of what some one sees.
    In my job stats do not always tell you a story for selection it is down to circumstances of the game quality of possession, amount of possession how others have performed around you to impact a game.
    It is not the bible.

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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

    Carries Per 80 Minutes
    19.39 Sititi
    16.79 Savea
    10.85 Finau
    8.09 Cane
    7.87 Blackadder
    4.67 Papali'i
    2.63 Jacobson

    Tackers Per 80 Minutes
    16.17 Cane
    15.74 Blackadder
    14.55 Sititi
    14.24 Finau
    13.68 Jacobson
    12.85 Papali'i
    11.04 Savea

    Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
    4.85 Sititi
    4.74 Jacobson
    2.42 Savea
    2.10 Blackadder
    1.36 Finau
    0.43 Cane
    0 Papali'i

    Turnovers won per 80 minutes
    1.62 Sititi
    0.88 Papali'i
    0.6 Savea
    0.52 Blackadder
    0.43 Cane
    0 Finau, Jacobson

    Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
    11.31 Sititi
    6.8 Savea
    4.75 Finau
    3.15 Blackadder
    2.05 Papali'i
    1.7 Cane
    1.06 Jacobson

    Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
    4.98 Blackadder
    4.85 Sititi
    4.75 Finau
    3.83 Cane
    2.34 Papali'i
    2.27 Savea
    2.11 Jacobson

    Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
    6.46 Sititi
    4.53 Savea
    0 Finau
    -0.29 Papali'i
    -1.05 Jacobson
    -1.83 Blackadder
    -2.13 Papali'i

    Based on the stats my loose trio:

    6 Finau
    7 Savea
    8 Sititi
    21 Papali'i

    * Without consideration of rucks attended

    Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

    They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

    They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

    But they fit yours aye.
    Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

    This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

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    #6029

    My narrative would have Papali'i performing better but it's simply not the case. I think he's gone backwards under Robertson with his general play. His defensive workrate isn't as high but I do think he's been the best loose forward this year at the breakdown.

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    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

    Carries Per 80 Minutes
    19.39 Sititi
    16.79 Savea
    10.85 Finau
    8.09 Cane
    7.87 Blackadder
    4.67 Papali'i
    2.63 Jacobson

    Tackers Per 80 Minutes
    16.17 Cane
    15.74 Blackadder
    14.55 Sititi
    14.24 Finau
    13.68 Jacobson
    12.85 Papali'i
    11.04 Savea

    Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
    4.85 Sititi
    4.74 Jacobson
    2.42 Savea
    2.10 Blackadder
    1.36 Finau
    0.43 Cane
    0 Papali'i

    Turnovers won per 80 minutes
    1.62 Sititi
    0.88 Papali'i
    0.6 Savea
    0.52 Blackadder
    0.43 Cane
    0 Finau, Jacobson

    Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
    11.31 Sititi
    6.8 Savea
    4.75 Finau
    3.15 Blackadder
    2.05 Papali'i
    1.7 Cane
    1.06 Jacobson

    Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
    4.98 Blackadder
    4.85 Sititi
    4.75 Finau
    3.83 Cane
    2.34 Papali'i
    2.27 Savea
    2.11 Jacobson

    Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
    6.46 Sititi
    4.53 Savea
    0 Finau
    -0.29 Papali'i
    -1.05 Jacobson
    -1.83 Blackadder
    -2.13 Papali'i

    Based on the stats my loose trio:

    6 Finau
    7 Savea
    8 Sititi
    21 Papali'i

    * Without consideration of rucks attended

    Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

    They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

    They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

    But they fit yours aye.
    Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

    This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

    That's BS

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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

    Carries Per 80 Minutes
    19.39 Sititi
    16.79 Savea
    10.85 Finau
    8.09 Cane
    7.87 Blackadder
    4.67 Papali'i
    2.63 Jacobson

    Tackers Per 80 Minutes
    16.17 Cane
    15.74 Blackadder
    14.55 Sititi
    14.24 Finau
    13.68 Jacobson
    12.85 Papali'i
    11.04 Savea

    Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
    4.85 Sititi
    4.74 Jacobson
    2.42 Savea
    2.10 Blackadder
    1.36 Finau
    0.43 Cane
    0 Papali'i

    Turnovers won per 80 minutes
    1.62 Sititi
    0.88 Papali'i
    0.6 Savea
    0.52 Blackadder
    0.43 Cane
    0 Finau, Jacobson

    Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
    11.31 Sititi
    6.8 Savea
    4.75 Finau
    3.15 Blackadder
    2.05 Papali'i
    1.7 Cane
    1.06 Jacobson

    Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
    4.98 Blackadder
    4.85 Sititi
    4.75 Finau
    3.83 Cane
    2.34 Papali'i
    2.27 Savea
    2.11 Jacobson

    Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
    6.46 Sititi
    4.53 Savea
    0 Finau
    -0.29 Papali'i
    -1.05 Jacobson
    -1.83 Blackadder
    -2.13 Papali'i

    Based on the stats my loose trio:

    6 Finau
    7 Savea
    8 Sititi
    21 Papali'i

    * Without consideration of rucks attended

    Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

    They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

    They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

    But they fit yours aye.
    Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

    This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

    That's BS

    Go back and watch him in the games. If Scott Barrett had actually made calls to him in the lineouts instead of Savea overall his contribution would still see him being selected.

    The fiddling at 6 has been poor.

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    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

    Carries Per 80 Minutes
    19.39 Sititi
    16.79 Savea
    10.85 Finau
    8.09 Cane
    7.87 Blackadder
    4.67 Papali'i
    2.63 Jacobson

    Tackers Per 80 Minutes
    16.17 Cane
    15.74 Blackadder
    14.55 Sititi
    14.24 Finau
    13.68 Jacobson
    12.85 Papali'i
    11.04 Savea

    Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
    4.85 Sititi
    4.74 Jacobson
    2.42 Savea
    2.10 Blackadder
    1.36 Finau
    0.43 Cane
    0 Papali'i

    Turnovers won per 80 minutes
    1.62 Sititi
    0.88 Papali'i
    0.6 Savea
    0.52 Blackadder
    0.43 Cane
    0 Finau, Jacobson

    Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
    11.31 Sititi
    6.8 Savea
    4.75 Finau
    3.15 Blackadder
    2.05 Papali'i
    1.7 Cane
    1.06 Jacobson

    Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
    4.98 Blackadder
    4.85 Sititi
    4.75 Finau
    3.83 Cane
    2.34 Papali'i
    2.27 Savea
    2.11 Jacobson

    Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
    6.46 Sititi
    4.53 Savea
    0 Finau
    -0.29 Papali'i
    -1.05 Jacobson
    -1.83 Blackadder
    -2.13 Papali'i

    Based on the stats my loose trio:

    6 Finau
    7 Savea
    8 Sititi
    21 Papali'i

    * Without consideration of rucks attended

    Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

    They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

    They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

    But they fit yours aye.
    Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

    This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

    That's BS

    Go back and watch him in the games.

    Fuck me I have more than once he was average as hell.

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    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

    Here are some stats for the year for the loosies ( excluding ruck counts )

    Carries Per 80 Minutes
    19.39 Sititi
    16.79 Savea
    10.85 Finau
    8.09 Cane
    7.87 Blackadder
    4.67 Papali'i
    2.63 Jacobson

    Tackers Per 80 Minutes
    16.17 Cane
    15.74 Blackadder
    14.55 Sititi
    14.24 Finau
    13.68 Jacobson
    12.85 Papali'i
    11.04 Savea

    Lineouts Per 80 Minutes
    4.85 Sititi
    4.74 Jacobson
    2.42 Savea
    2.10 Blackadder
    1.36 Finau
    0.43 Cane
    0 Papali'i

    Turnovers won per 80 minutes
    1.62 Sititi
    0.88 Papali'i
    0.6 Savea
    0.52 Blackadder
    0.43 Cane
    0 Finau, Jacobson

    Total Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    tries + try assists + clean breaks + offloads + defenders beaten + turnovers won + dominant tackles
    11.31 Sititi
    6.8 Savea
    4.75 Finau
    3.15 Blackadder
    2.05 Papali'i
    1.7 Cane
    1.06 Jacobson

    Total Negative Impacts Per 80 Minutes
    turnovers conceded + missed tackles + penalties conceded + (yellow cards*2)
    4.98 Blackadder
    4.85 Sititi
    4.75 Finau
    3.83 Cane
    2.34 Papali'i
    2.27 Savea
    2.11 Jacobson

    Net Impacts Per 80 Minutes ( Total Impacts - Total Negative Impacts )
    6.46 Sititi
    4.53 Savea
    0 Finau
    -0.29 Papali'i
    -1.05 Jacobson
    -1.83 Blackadder
    -2.13 Papali'i

    Based on the stats my loose trio:

    6 Finau
    7 Savea
    8 Sititi
    21 Papali'i

    * Without consideration of rucks attended

    Did you make this up these stats ? were did they come from they look unbalanced to me by a long way.

    They're the aggregation of Rugby Pass stats.

    They look unbalanced because they don't fit your narrative.

    But they fit yours aye.
    Finau has not made that much impact no fucking way he is missing most of the time.

    This is something you made up in your head. His performances against England were underrated. His workrate was good and from the eye he hit a lot of rucks too. We won significantly more rucks against England across the 2 tests and we won significantly more rucks under 3 seconds.

    That's BS

    Go back and watch him in the games. If Scott Barrett had actually made calls to him in the lineouts instead of Savea overall his contribution would still see him being selected.

    The fiddling at 6 has been poor.

    Ohh now it is Scott Barret's fault Finau was poor and got dropped. I see everyone's fault but Finau's.

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    #6034

    FFS, the cult of anti-EB has hit new highs. Waste of time conversing with the religiously obsessed. Nutters!

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    Old Samurai Jack
    wrote on last edited by
    #6035

    It was a bit like this when Akira/Frizzel occupied the No.6 spot as well. What is it about this position?

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    taniwharugby
    replied to Old Samurai Jack on last edited by
    #6036

    @Old-Samurai-Jack all Jerome Kaino's fault, he shouldnt have gotten older and retired.

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    brodean
    wrote on last edited by brodean
    #6037

    They invest 3 full games in Blackadder to get him up to match fitness and then he gets injured. He made a lot of missed tackles and gave away a lot of penalties.

    He's a liability.

    If you don't want Finau put Vaa'i at 6. Vaa'i is just as athletic as the last two Bok blindsides.

    Blackadder is a broken donkey like Cane was for Foster. There is so much more talent in NZ rugby and Foster then Robertson pick cart horses who are too slow and always broken.

    It's like those two coaches want to bang their heads against walls and lose.

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