All Blacks 2024
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
It seems that Sotutu only being able to play no.8 has also counted against him. With Savea certain to start in that position versatility was important to the AB coaches.
i hope this isn't a huge facture.....very simply...Savea picks up a niggle and we dont have arguably the best 8 in the country available....see how quickly that approach falls over?
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
It's almost like the collar is huge to distract from the shoulder stripes so they can sneak it on.
....might be the wrong thread...but i saw it as the other way...youre staring at the collar....and the stripes are right there!
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
If Ryan and Robertson have no intention of using Savea as a 7 then you need some players with the ability to play multiple positions, which really means the reserve loose forward. As I've said before, Sotutu would either start or not be in the 23 because of this.
If we assume Finau, Papalii and Savea start then the choices for the no.20 jersey are Blackadder (6/7), Jacobson (7/8) and Sititi (8/7). Maybe Papalii could be moved to 6 but I don't think he's been that successful for the ABs in that position. Ditto for Savea at 6 as that's not his game.
Did we really need four wingers? Drop one and pick another loose forward.
Drop a winger and pick a fourth lock FFS. Unless Finau is lock cover - becuase converted flankers always work well.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
From Two Cents Rugby channel.
Hoskins scored way more tries and assists and good passing.
Sotutu is also better in turnovers.
Far less tackles than the others (though Jacobson shouldn't be in there because he was 7)Aligns with the comment on his work on both sides of the ball.
I think they think he shirks the defensive work.
According to this guy Blues made marginally less tackles than the Chiefs overall in the season. Can't vouch for his numbers.Blue line is tackles per game.(Sotutu lowest)
Orange line is missed tackles (Sotutu highest)
It's evident to me that their analysis is including the finals, which pumps up Sititi's defensive numbers because that's pretty much all the Chiefs did in the final. Sititi practically doubled his season average.
Season data looks a little more like this:
What's telling is the work on the other side of the ball.
Metres Carries DB CB Passes O TA Points Sotutu 638 120 26 5 124 17 7 55 Sititi 361 102 18 3 46 5 0 10 Guess Razor isn't as interested in attack.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Interestingly it was something highlighted by Hansen, so ABs also emphasize low tackle height. They look at how the international game is reffed, much harsher than SR, and low tackling is a key part of what they want. It may be that the Blues style of choke tackling to slow the opposition down hasn't helped their case with the ABs
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Interestingly it was something highlighted by Hansen, so ABs also emphasize low tackle height. They look at how the international game is reffed, much harsher than SR, and low tackling is a key part of what they want. It may be that the Blues style of choke tackling to slow the opposition down hasn't helped their case with the ABs
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
I highly doubt they think they can't coach.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Interestingly it was something highlighted by Hansen, so ABs also emphasize low tackle height. They look at how the international game is reffed, much harsher than SR, and low tackling is a key part of what they want. It may be that the Blues style of choke tackling to slow the opposition down hasn't helped their case with the ABs
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
I highly doubt they think they can't coach.
It's the logical conclusion from the premise they're selecting players who played a certain way that they can't get players to adjust.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Interestingly it was something highlighted by Hansen, so ABs also emphasize low tackle height. They look at how the international game is reffed, much harsher than SR, and low tackling is a key part of what they want. It may be that the Blues style of choke tackling to slow the opposition down hasn't helped their case with the ABs
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
I highly doubt they think they can't coach.
It's the logical conclusion from the premise they're selecting players who played a certain way that they can't get players to adjust.
Logic to me is that no one gets to the top of their chosen field if they don't think they can do the job.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Interestingly it was something highlighted by Hansen, so ABs also emphasize low tackle height. They look at how the international game is reffed, much harsher than SR, and low tackling is a key part of what they want. It may be that the Blues style of choke tackling to slow the opposition down hasn't helped their case with the ABs
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
I highly doubt they think they can't coach.
It's the logical conclusion from the premise they're selecting players who played a certain way that they can't get players to adjust.
Logic to me is that no one gets to the top of their chosen field if they don't think they can do the job.
Someone spit in your coffee this morning or are you being deliberately obtuse?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Interestingly it was something highlighted by Hansen, so ABs also emphasize low tackle height. They look at how the international game is reffed, much harsher than SR, and low tackling is a key part of what they want. It may be that the Blues style of choke tackling to slow the opposition down hasn't helped their case with the ABs
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
I highly doubt they think they can't coach.
It's the logical conclusion from the premise they're selecting players who played a certain way that they can't get players to adjust.
Logic to me is that no one gets to the top of their chosen field if they don't think they can do the job.
Someone spit in your coffee this morning or are you being deliberately obtuse?
Hopefully nobody spat in my coffee. Do you really think they believe they can't coach?
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Interestingly it was something highlighted by Hansen, so ABs also emphasize low tackle height. They look at how the international game is reffed, much harsher than SR, and low tackling is a key part of what they want. It may be that the Blues style of choke tackling to slow the opposition down hasn't helped their case with the ABs
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
I highly doubt they think they can't coach.
It's the logical conclusion from the premise they're selecting players who played a certain way that they can't get players to adjust.
Logic to me is that no one gets to the top of their chosen field if they don't think they can do the job.
Someone spit in your coffee this morning or are you being deliberately obtuse?
Hopefully nobody spat in my coffee. Do you really think they believe they can't coach?
No, the hyperbole is that it would be a very odd reason to make certain selections: "They tackle low and that's how we want to play." Surely the best individuals in the best teams play a certain way because that's what they're instructed to do. I'm certain if Vern told the Blues that every tackle was to be a grass cutter, they'd have played that way.
The more I look at this Hoskins omission, the more unfathomable it becomes. Hansen's mealy mouth interview notwithstanding. I'd understand if they took another lock instead of Sititi. At least then you could say "we would've, but we needed a lock and hence he as a specialist 8 has to miss out. If Ardie gets injured he'll be called in."
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Interestingly it was something highlighted by Hansen, so ABs also emphasize low tackle height. They look at how the international game is reffed, much harsher than SR, and low tackling is a key part of what they want. It may be that the Blues style of choke tackling to slow the opposition down hasn't helped their case with the ABs
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
I highly doubt they think they can't coach.
It's the logical conclusion from the premise they're selecting players who played a certain way that they can't get players to adjust.
Logic to me is that no one gets to the top of their chosen field if they don't think they can do the job.
Someone spit in your coffee this morning or are you being deliberately obtuse?
Hopefully nobody spat in my coffee. Do you really think they believe they can't coach?
No, the hyperbole is that it would be a very odd reason to make certain selections: "They tackle low and that's how we want to play." Surely the best individuals in the best teams play a certain way because that's what they're instructed to do. I'm certain if Vern told the Blues that every tackle was to be a grass cutter, they'd have played that way.
The more I look at this Hoskins omission, the more unfathomable it becomes. Hansen's mealy mouth interview notwithstanding. I'd understand if they took another lock instead of Sititi. At least then you could say "we would've, but we needed a lock and hence he as a specialist 8 has to miss out. If Ardie gets injured he'll be called in."
One and a half weeks may not be long enough to change the things that have been hammered in during the entire SR season
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Photo of the week: Ardie Savea playing club rugby for Ories on Saturday. Maybe if the Wellington player didn't tackle his own player they would have more of chance of stopping Savea.
Ories won this game 90-7
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Interestingly it was something highlighted by Hansen, so ABs also emphasize low tackle height. They look at how the international game is reffed, much harsher than SR, and low tackling is a key part of what they want. It may be that the Blues style of choke tackling to slow the opposition down hasn't helped their case with the ABs
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
I highly doubt they think they can't coach.
It's the logical conclusion from the premise they're selecting players who played a certain way that they can't get players to adjust.
Logic to me is that no one gets to the top of their chosen field if they don't think they can do the job.
Someone spit in your coffee this morning or are you being deliberately obtuse?
Hopefully nobody spat in my coffee. Do you really think they believe they can't coach?
No, the hyperbole is that it would be a very odd reason to make certain selections: "They tackle low and that's how we want to play." Surely the best individuals in the best teams play a certain way because that's what they're instructed to do. I'm certain if Vern told the Blues that every tackle was to be a grass cutter, they'd have played that way.
The more I look at this Hoskins omission, the more unfathomable it becomes. Hansen's mealy mouth interview notwithstanding. I'd understand if they took another lock instead of Sititi. At least then you could say "we would've, but we needed a lock and hence he as a specialist 8 has to miss out. If Ardie gets injured he'll be called in."
It's obviously pure speculation on all our parts but I too would have liked to have seen him selected. As an extension of what you originally typed maybe they don't think they can coach Sotutu to play a certain way, especially given the short time frame? I don't necessarily see that as a slight against either side.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Interestingly it was something highlighted by Hansen, so ABs also emphasize low tackle height. They look at how the international game is reffed, much harsher than SR, and low tackling is a key part of what they want. It may be that the Blues style of choke tackling to slow the opposition down hasn't helped their case with the ABs
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
I highly doubt they think they can't coach.
It's the logical conclusion from the premise they're selecting players who played a certain way that they can't get players to adjust.
Logic to me is that no one gets to the top of their chosen field if they don't think they can do the job.
Someone spit in your coffee this morning or are you being deliberately obtuse?
Hopefully nobody spat in my coffee. Do you really think they believe they can't coach?
No, the hyperbole is that it would be a very odd reason to make certain selections: "They tackle low and that's how we want to play." Surely the best individuals in the best teams play a certain way because that's what they're instructed to do. I'm certain if Vern told the Blues that every tackle was to be a grass cutter, they'd have played that way.
The more I look at this Hoskins omission, the more unfathomable it becomes. Hansen's mealy mouth interview notwithstanding. I'd understand if they took another lock instead of Sititi. At least then you could say "we would've, but we needed a lock and hence he as a specialist 8 has to miss out. If Ardie gets injured he'll be called in."
One and a half weeks may not be long enough to change the things that have been hammered in during the entire SR season
On the other hand, will they really contemplate throwing a debutant (Sititi) in the deep end vs England? I don't think he would start, but if someone goes down and he was on the bench, will they be comfortable with that outcome? Or is he a project that they feel would benefit with a little time in camp, with Blackadder or Paps on the bench as cover? If they saw Hoskins as someone who was close and needed to iron out a few things, surely he would best do that in camp also? So many questions
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
With Blues having 70% possession on occasion, straight tackles/match comparisons are bound to be misleading.
That's what I thought too.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
With Blues having 70% possession on occasion, straight tackles/match comparisons are bound to be misleading.
That's what I thought too.
2 cents rugby said the Chiefs made only 2% more tackles than the Blues over the season.100%. A possession dominant pack's forwards make less tackles? Quelle surprise. Sometimes metrics don't mean what people think they mean. As much as I like us to have the ability to score from anywhere, the ability to keep possession for long periods, to control the field position and the clock can be a very good thing
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
That just says to me that they think they can't coach.
Or it was regarded as one of his work-ons and he hasn't improved it.
I'd say they are concerned about a lack of defensive abrasiveness / workrate.
Truth is, none of us know.
The implications being thrown around by some are spitting are deadset pathetic - Razor's a racist, Razor can't think separately from Ryan, Razor can't coach (7 Super titles lol)
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