All Blacks 2024
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...
I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much
He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.
Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...
Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?
Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.
you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s
Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.
the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
jacobson picked as a 7
Blackadder at 6
who would you pick at 6Finau first, and then Blackadder based on the selections. I thought Ioane did enough to surpass Blackadder but that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. Hopefully the ABs can turn Finau into the new Collins/Kaino type player that we've been missing for a long time.
wait a minute you know agree with the loose forward selections
What? You asked me who I would select at 6 didn't you? I said 'based on the selections' I would go with Finau but also said Ioane should have been in the picture. Did you read my comment or just skim over it? What is everyone on tonight? Seriously.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
You think Robertson told him so early in the season that he wasn't going to be in his All Blacks plans that he had enough time to arrange a contract in Japan?
I think he got the word towards the end of the season. Watch his leaving interview - he gives the strong impression of someone who doesn't want to go - but is making the rational financial choice.
Look, fair play, Razor and his boys get to choose their team. But they need to take accountability for that. I'd say Sotutu's off - you don't post that and hang about. he can't do more than this season, so if this isn't enough that'll be him done. It's a real shame.
Razor better win, and win well, and show us that his picks are solid. I would love to see them deveop players in camp (remember how flaky Coles was). But let's see. At the moment it looks a very red and black perspective on the world. Havili? Really?
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He played in 4 matches for the ABs that year.
4 matches in 6 months.
How do you expect a player to be anywhere near his best when he plays 50-60 minutes of rugby every 6 weeks?
He got unceremoniously dropped last year and would have had reasons as to why.
He came back this year and was the player of the competition and is still left out.
I think it is Jason Ryan who doesn’t like him.
Sotutu will be one of those players that heads overseas and becomes a huge star in the Roo 14 or in another league. Maybe England and he plays for them in a couple of years
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
You think Robertson told him so early in the season that he wasn't going to be in his All Blacks plans that he had enough time to arrange a contract in Japan?
I think he got the word towards the end of the season. Watch his leaving interview - he gives the strong impression of someone who doesn't want to go - but is making the rational financial choice.
Look, fair play, Razor and his boys get to choose their team. But they need to take accountability for that. I'd say Sotutu's off - you don't post that and hang about. he can't do more than this season, so if this isn't enough that'll be him done. It's a real shame.
Razor better win, and win well, and show us that his picks are solid. I would love to see them deveop players in camp (remember how flaky Coles was). But let's see. At the moment it looks a very red and black perspective on the world. Havili? Really?
Yeah pretty odd decision picking Sititi after only one real stand-out game. Sotutu was good all year. Consistency obviously means nothing these days. Even as a Canes fan, Sotutu was a beast all year. Feel for you Blues fans if he leaves because of this.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...
I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much
He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.
Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...
Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?
Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.
you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s
Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.
the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
jacobson picked as a 7
Blackadder at 6
who would you pick at 6Finau first, and then Blackadder based on the selections. I thought Ioane did enough to surpass Blackadder but that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. Hopefully the ABs can turn Finau into the new Collins/Kaino type player that we've been missing for a long time.
wait a minute you know agree with the loose forward selections
What? You asked me who I would select at 6 didn't you? I said 'based on the selections' I would go with Finau but also said Ioane should have been in the picture. Did you read my comment or just skim over it? What is everyone on tonight? Seriousl
reread the bolded bit.
I asked you who you would pick at 6
AI isnt available
remember all this was started because sotutu wasn't picked
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Feel for you Blues fans if he leaves because of this.
I think he's gone, and people will say it justifies the non-selection.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
You think Robertson told him so early in the season that he wasn't going to be in his All Blacks plans that he had enough time to arrange a contract in Japan?
I think he got the word towards the end of the season. Watch his leaving interview - he gives the strong impression of someone who doesn't want to go - but is making the rational financial choice.
Look, fair play, Razor and his boys get to choose their team. But they need to take accountability for that. I'd say Sotutu's off - you don't post that and hang about. he can't do more than this season, so if this isn't enough that'll be him done. It's a real shame.
Razor better win, and win well, and show us that his picks are solid. I would love to see them deveop players in camp (remember how flaky Coles was). But let's see. At the moment it looks a very red and black perspective on the world. Havili? Really?
If he didn't want to go, he wouldn't have gone.
I don't think anyone on here is such a strong body language and emotion expert that they can infer from his pre-recorded post that he's been tipped off late in the season that he isn't going to feature in the All Blacks and that he should sign a last-minute contract in Japan. Normally these contracts are signed almost a year in advance - he likely inked the deal in February or March.
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...
I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much
He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.
Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...
Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?
Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.
you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s
Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.
the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
jacobson picked as a 7
Blackadder at 6
who would you pick at 6Finau first, and then Blackadder based on the selections. I thought Ioane did enough to surpass Blackadder but that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. Hopefully the ABs can turn Finau into the new Collins/Kaino type player that we've been missing for a long time.
wait a minute you know agree with the loose forward selections
What? You asked me who I would select at 6 didn't you? I said 'based on the selections' I would go with Finau but also said Ioane should have been in the picture. Did you read my comment or just skim over it? What is everyone on tonight? Seriousl
reread the bolded bit.
I asked you who you would pick at 6
AI isnt available
remember all this was started because sotutu wasn't picked
lolAnd I responded. I said Finau based on the selections but doesn't mean I agree with it.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Feel for you Blues fans if he leaves because of this.
I think he's gone, and people will say it justifies the non-selection.
Yeah, I thought Proctor was going to be in the same boat tbh so thankfully he was picked. He probably would have gone aswell.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...
I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much
He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.
Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...
Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?
Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.
you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s
Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.
the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
jacobson picked as a 7
Blackadder at 6
who would you pick at 6Finau first, and then Blackadder based on the selections. I thought Ioane did enough to surpass Blackadder but that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. Hopefully the ABs can turn Finau into the new Collins/Kaino type player that we've been missing for a long time.
wait a minute you know agree with the loose forward selections
What? You asked me who I would select at 6 didn't you? I said 'based on the selections' I would go with Finau but also said Ioane should have been in the picture. Did you read my comment or just skim over it? What is everyone on tonight? Seriousl
reread the bolded bit.
I asked you who you would pick at 6
AI isnt available
remember all this was started because sotutu wasn't picked
lolAnd I responded. I said Finau based on the selections but doesn't mean I agree with it.
I will say this slowly
if you were picking the team who would you pick at 6 -
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...
I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much
He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.
Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...
Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?
Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.
you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s
Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.
the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
jacobson picked as a 7
Blackadder at 6
who would you pick at 6Finau first, and then Blackadder based on the selections. I thought Ioane did enough to surpass Blackadder but that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. Hopefully the ABs can turn Finau into the new Collins/Kaino type player that we've been missing for a long time.
wait a minute you know agree with the loose forward selections
What? You asked me who I would select at 6 didn't you? I said 'based on the selections' I would go with Finau but also said Ioane should have been in the picture. Did you read my comment or just skim over it? What is everyone on tonight? Seriousl
reread the bolded bit.
I asked you who you would pick at 6
AI isnt available
remember all this was started because sotutu wasn't picked
lolAnd I responded. I said Finau based on the selections but doesn't mean I agree with it.
I will say this slowly
if you were picking the team who would you pick at 6I will say it slowly for you - if I was picking the team I would have picked Akira Ioane. I would have made sure he was told early enough in the season to ensure he didn't sign overseas. As Nzzp says, he only signed overseas because he knew he was out of the picture.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean
Ardie is a total energizer bunny workhorse who stood out even when we played shit.Sure - all that energy saved from not putting a hard shoulder on, leaning on rucks catching his breath.
Someone is butt hurt their golden boy didn’t make the ABs. Jog on.
Not my golden boy.
You know the criticisms are true because your only response is to go herp derp WR PoTY. Not the selection of dominant tackles preventing a team making metres. Not hitting rucks slowing down their ball.
You even admit we need to pick players to do the work he isn't. That's telling.
Yes he is.
Try to not be a child. I've just told you your assertion is incorrect and as proof I've been complaining about this for years.
Show me the stats that show Ardie didn’t make dominant tackles etc. you’re full of shit.
You're asking for stats for something that doesn't exist? Do you realize how unhinged that sounds?
Ask Eben Etzebeth what it’s like getting chucked around by Ardie if he doesn’t do the hard work like you say he does.
That's like praising Dean Mumm because he once ragdolled Marcel Coetzee.
You’re just a sheep echoing what other people are saying. Ardie is the hardest working player in the ABs apart from maybe Whitelock.
Remember when you said that we need to have a Kaino to permit Ardie to do his thing? If you're honest with yourself you'll recall Read was smashing blokes too...
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
You think Robertson told him so early in the season that he wasn't going to be in his All Blacks plans that he had enough time to arrange a contract in Japan?
I think he got the word towards the end of the season. Watch his leaving interview - he gives the strong impression of someone who doesn't want to go - but is making the rational financial choice.
Look, fair play, Razor and his boys get to choose their team. But they need to take accountability for that. I'd say Sotutu's off - you don't post that and hang about. he can't do more than this season, so if this isn't enough that'll be him done. It's a real shame.
Razor better win, and win well, and show us that his picks are solid. I would love to see them deveop players in camp (remember how flaky Coles was). But let's see. At the moment it looks a very red and black perspective on the world. Havili? Really?
I count two red n blacks in the starting pack (Codie and Scooter) and a possibility of one in the backs (Reece).
Then there’s potential for 2 on the bench (T Williams and Blackadder). An outside chance for a 3rd with Newell.
Bell is only real surprise but I’ve said they he wouldn’t be there if Sami T was fit. Bell was around the squad last year so obviously want to continue the development.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...
I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much
He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.
Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...
Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?
Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.
you realise that blackadder and jacobson arent picked as 8s
Yeah but picking both of them prevents us from picking a bigger 6 like Ioane which we need. Jacobsen is a player that isn't a stand out as a 7, 6 or 8 but he's a good rugby player. Is that enough though? I'm not sure.
the post was about sotutu and not being picked at 8
jacobson picked as a 7
Blackadder at 6
who would you pick at 6Finau first, and then Blackadder based on the selections. I thought Ioane did enough to surpass Blackadder but that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. Hopefully the ABs can turn Finau into the new Collins/Kaino type player that we've been missing for a long time.
wait a minute you know agree with the loose forward selections
What? You asked me who I would select at 6 didn't you? I said 'based on the selections' I would go with Finau but also said Ioane should have been in the picture. Did you read my comment or just skim over it? What is everyone on tonight? Seriousl
reread the bolded bit.
I asked you who you would pick at 6
AI isnt available
remember all this was started because sotutu wasn't picked
lolAnd I responded. I said Finau based on the selections but doesn't mean I agree with it.
I will say this slowly
if you were picking the team who would you pick at 6I will say it slowly for you - if I was picking the team I would have picked Akira Ioane. I would have made sure he was told early enough in the season to ensure he didn't sign overseas. As Nzzp says, he only signed overseas because he knew he was out of the picture.
I will try one more time
there are two spots to pick a 6 in the team
Akira ioane isn't available who would you have picked in your team -
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
All I can really say is Razor wanted to be known as the coach who picked the best players...
Hold my bud light say Bell, Perofeta, Blackadder, Jacobsen and Tosi (who was on no-one's rader but the AB selectors it appears).
Feel sory for Sotutu, Plumber, Laki and Love - all of them deserve to be there.
Very odd we've only got 3 players covering 1st 5 and fullback.
This is what makes me laugh. Selection is a subjective exercise, it’s not about who’s deserving (whatever that means). Just who the coaches want in the side. And they get to justify it by what happens out on the field.
We don’t agree with certain selections that’s fine. We are fortunate enough to be able to argue about it online without fear or favour. But deserving? nah.
Someone asked about the selection process and one of the assistant’s gave us an insight into the process and the way they go about. I highly doubt they are using words like ‘deserve’ but rather here is the gameplan we will execute at set piece or off turnovers and these are the guys we need.
I thought on form they all deserved to be there above others picked.
Yes there are other potential measures that will results in certain players being picked over others. Unless you were an AB coach and developing the gameplan you would have no idea at all what these are.
Nor should you expect people posting on the internet to know what these are either.
You seem to be very upset about one word.
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@Windows97 Nah not upset. Couldn’t be happier actually. The ABs have been named and I’m looking forward to watching them play.
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Hurricanes openside Peter Lakai will train with the All Blacks as an emerging player but there was no room, either, for No 8 Brayden Iose to highlight the depth in Roberston’s specialist area.
“The toughest call,” Robertson said of the decision between Sititi and Sotutu.
“I thought hard and deep and challenged myself. I looked at all the reasons why I pick players and that’s where we fell. We believe Wallace is an incredible young talent. The harder the game the higher he rose in regards to his performance. He owned it. We’re really impressed but it’s a tough call.”
'The toughest call': Robertson explains Sititi v Sotutu selection decision
Why Razor chose his Crusaders man as All Blacks skipper.
