All Blacks 2024
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@Canes4life AJ covers 12,13,14 and Proctor 13,haven't seen him play any other position is the correct? So he would be a more likely bench cover.
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Not specifically talking about Lam, but isn’t there more need for utilities in a smaller squad? There’s more room for specialists who aren’t starters in a larger squad
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@george33 Proctor has played a few games at 12 before and he played a whole season at 15 for Wellington a few years ago. But he's mostly an out and out centre which the ABs honestly need.
There's no need for utilities because Ioane can play wing if we really need him to.
This squad naming is going to be very intriguing indeed.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Monday onwards is going to so much fun on the fern,some meltdowns coming,
which ins/outs do you reckon will light the biggest fuses?
Well, it's definitely going to be any Crusader picked that's anything other than a rock solid selection.
And history from 2003 tells us that by far the least forgiving fans come from the Capital and its surrounds. My sauce at the Wellington library tells me all 26 copies of Christian Cullen's autobiography are out on loan and have been for months!
No Quarter's already launched his pre-emptive strike on Blackadder over Iose and Lakai.
In the spirit of Benny Blair - how about FAB Johnny McNicol over Love.
Hotham over Perenara?
My personal pick is David Havili over Billy Proctor. Especially when Razor says that Billy is injured and Billy comes out and says "No I'm not"!
I shall get my coat!
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Duluth that's what my case is , must have utilities especially in the backs, AJ and McLeod and Havilli fit that category
Lol what the hell has McLeod done all year to warrant AB selection again? He's been serviceable at best.
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@Canes4life totally agree wouldn't have McLeod any were near the ABs, my point was about utilities if only 14 backs selected, on Proctor I'm a big fan of his and hope he gets included but I'm not sure he will
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@Canes4life yes we can't change that, let's hope some sensible selections are made
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
And history from 2003 tells us that by far the least forgiving fans come from the Capital and its surrounds. My sauce at the Wellington library tells me all 26 copies of Christian Cullen's autobiography are out on loan and have been for months!
A bottle of sauce isn't usually a good source.
I'll get my coat.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
My personal pick is David Havili over Billy Proctor
TBF i will join them at the pitchfork and torch shed for that one
Havili is a non-entity and his utility value is a myth.
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@mariner4life and proctor has looked dangerous every time ive seen him with ball in hand
i really start to think i understand even less about rugby than i originally thought when some players keep getting picked
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there really isn't the need for "utilities" in the back line. Nearly everyone can play in more than one position. The only value BBarrett brings is he covers 10 and 15. ALB covers both midfields. You can stick anyone on a wing
Picking a guy because he's put a 15 and a 12 jersey on before is flawed thinking.
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@mariner4life it's more important to know if one of the backs knows how to pack down on the side of the scrum when the inevitable card comes....
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@mariner4life it feels like we're iterating towards league, where its often just a line of players across the field
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life it's more important to know if one of the backs knows how to pack down on the side of the scrum when the inevitable card comes....
and who will be captain once that card comes
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Not specifically talking about Lam, but isn’t there more need for utilities in a smaller squad? There’s more room for specialists who aren’t starters in a larger squad
In general I would agree but I think in this scenario there's enough utility already. ALB, Jordie, Proctor can play 12. ALB, Rieko and Proctor can play 13.
Note if they pick Plummer, Poihipi or Havili as the 3rd 10 they can also cover 12.
Rieko covers wing in addition to the likely 3-4 wingers they will pick.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
My personal pick is David Havili over Billy Proctor
TBF i will join them at the pitchfork and torch shed for that one
Havili is a non-entity and his utility value is a myth.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
My personal pick is David Havili over Billy Proctor
TBF i will join them at the pitchfork and torch shed for that one
Havili is a non-entity and his utility value is a myth.
That’s not true.
He’s equally underwhelming no matter what position he plays.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
there really isn't the need for "utilities" in the back line. Nearly everyone can play in more than one position. The only value BBarrett brings is he covers 10 and 15. ALB covers both midfields. You can stick anyone on a wing
Picking a guy because he's put a 15 and a 12 jersey on before is flawed thinking.
I agree with that completely.
Giving someone credit because they can "play somewhere in a pinch" isn't sound. The question really should be - are you happy to start them there.
In Havili's case, he's a second five. He's played fuck all at fullback in recent years. And he's clearly not as good as Jordie. He may or may not be the next best second five - he's in a pack of contenders - but he doesn't cover the midfield anywhere near as well as ALB, so he's not going to be in the 23 barring injury. And he's a known quantity.
Simply for "political" reasons, if I were Razor I wouldn't pick him for this squad. He's not a must have, and there's more to be learned by picking someone new.
