All Blacks 2024
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in Hurricanes 2024:
He raises some valid points
Tremendous sentence: I’m assuming (and hoping) that Robertson knows this and will pick the type of players who actually win you big games, rather than athletes that look a million bucks in a rout.
Coming from the Roar that doesn't mean much. Under Laidlaw, the Canes were a much better side this year and played some great rugby, injuries to key players at the wrong time of the season didn't help and we just failed to peak at the right time unfortunately, I'm sure that group will be better for the experience. My expectation for this side moving forward is to be title contenders for the next 5 or so years at least with the cattle we have locked up.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp And no new names were written down for the squad after the Semi Final. What they saw confirmed their opinions about a number of players they have been already looking at.
Can they make Super any more irrelevant?
I guess we read into things the way we want, but I read MacDonald's comment as meaning no player played their way in or way out on the weekend. At least they have a firm idea of who they want and the way they want to play. I'd be worried if they didn't.
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@Canes4life wrong thread
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
if we can see game plans and selections changing depending on who we're playing, experimentation with some innovation and actually addressing areas our opposition are targeting....then he gets the time he needs
Been banging this drum as well. However, it's subjective and results are still key so it isn't a blank cheque for the first season or two.
If we're still rocks and diamonds and play like against England last year, I think questions need to be asked.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
2020 Foster record 3-1-2, losses to AUS ARG
2021 12-3, losing to SAR FRA IREWe thought 21 was a disaster and it was. That's got to be the bar
2020 was the big problem for Fozzie.
He got off to a terrible start and was always behind the eight ball afterwards, especially given perceptions that he'd never been a good head coach and was a bit of a "jobs for the boys" appointment.
We have the exact opposite now. People's expectations are much higher as a result.
By comparison, if Razor doesn't win 4-0 vs Australia and Argentina, he'll struggle mightily to achieve my 10-4 benchmark.
Depends on the nature of the losses, but 10-4 would be a low bar for many people.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
2020 was the big problem for Fozzie.
Moving forward people ...
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I'm really excited for this international season
I don't think I could put a number on the win loss, for me it is more about the selections, gameplan, innovation, development. I want us to by innovators, not just a team that still struggle to deal with what other teams are doing.
If I see that happening I can totally tolerate some losses.
If we just look same old, might as well have kept the fat guy. -
I am sure we will see all the things you want and also the things you don’t want!
We won’t have things all our own way and we have virtually all of our bigger test are away from home this year.
One thing that Razor has done is to have a smart game plan and bring innovation to it. He also improves players who play for him. The Crusaders side he took over was full of new players and future test stars and he created a dynasty from that,l.
It is an exciting proposition and we have a group of players that can become a very strong All Black squad in time.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I am sure we will see all the things you want and also the things you don’t want!
We won’t have things all our own way and we have virtually all of our bigger test are away from home this year.
One thing that Razor has done is to have a smart game plan and bring innovation to it. He also improves players who play for him. The Crusaders side he took over was full of new players and future test stars and he created a dynasty from that,l.
It is an exciting proposition and we have a group of players that can become a very strong All Black squad in time.
Like Craig Bellamy, Razor seemed to have a knack of getting the best out of his individual players over a long period of time
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Leon MacDonald confirmed on the Breakdown that it will be a 32 man squad with 18 forwards and 14 backs.
Any more info on the breakdown of the forwards? In a smaller squad there will be a squeeze on one of the positions
3 Hookers, 6 Props, 4 Locks, 6 Loosies = 19. One too many
I've seen a few in media suggest only 3 locks. But that would be one rolled ankle in warmup away from having Finau cover lock
5 loosies. Maybe? I think they'll want to look at more than that
5 Props might make the most sense? 2 LH, 2 TH & Ofa?
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@Duluth highly likely that it will be 5 props. They can always bring someone in pretty quickly if needed. I think they'll go 6 loosies so they have 2 players covering each loose forward position.
I'm picking the below.
Forwards:
3 Hookers = C Taylor, A Aumua, R Riccitelli
5 Props = F Newell, E De Groot, T Williams, T Lomax, O Tu'ungafasi
4 Locks = S Barrett, T Vaa'i, S Darry, P Tuipolotu
6 Loose forwards = A Savea, H Sotutu, D Papali'i, S Finau, P Lakai, E BlackadderBacks:
3 Halfbacks = T Perenara, C Ratima, F Christie
2 First fives = D McKenzie, B Barrett
4 Centres = J Barrett, R Ioane, B Proctor, A Leinert Brown
5 Outside backs = C Clarke, M Telea, S Reece, E Narawa, R LoveInjured: W Jordan, S Taukei'aho, C Roigard, J Lord
Blues = 11
Chiefs = 6
Hurricanes = 8
Crusaders = 6
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Depends on the nature of the losses, but 10-4 would be a low bar for many people.
To quote Marcellus Wallace: "You see, this profession is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers."
I guess everyone has their own expectations. I'm reading what Grubster is writing and thinking I'm on the same page.
One thing I haven't really taken into account is to what extent these other teams are rebuilding.
England for instance seem to have pretty much the same forward pack they used at the RWC, but the backs are markedly different. The couple of preview articles I've read suggest they're playing more expansively and the English have some optimism that they might catch us undercooked. Considering Razor's got two weeks to unfold his gameplan (and sprinkle his magic dust around) that wouldn't surprise me.
If we go down to the poms the sharks will be taking chunks out of the sufboard before he's paddled past the breakers.
Given I didn't watch the Six Nations - what should we expect from England? Is this basically the team they used - or did they have Farrell etc?
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@Duluth Hard to know how they'll break it down.
For me - the logical way to do it is to pick the starting XV plus the bench - and then have one spare in each specialist position.
One loosehead
One tighthead
One hooker
One lock
One loosie
One halfback
One first five
One midfielder
One wing
One fullbackThat's one too many, but I'm expecting Beauden will be a first five and fullback.
As you say, they could have Ofa covering both sides to allow themselves an extra loose forward.
I hope they pick three first fives and not four wings.
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hmmmm....
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@Darren said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If we just look same old, might as well have kept the fat guy.
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@Kiwiwomble He is most likely in AB camp today then
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
hmmmm....
If true, that's such a backwards selection. I thought Razor was all about innovation and picking the 'best' players? Cane hasn't played for ages and is 'E Blackadder' level injury prone these days.
