All Blacks 2024
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
now you are creating sticks to beat him with. He's gone, the bad man can't hurt you know, Surf Jesus is here to make sure we never lose again
it was more a critique of the practice of playing people out of position when there are options actually playing in that position, just using the most recent coach's experiments with that idea.....and the subsequent poor results....as an example
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
now you are creating sticks to beat him with. He's gone, the bad man can't hurt you know, Surf Jesus is here to make sure we never lose again
it was more a critique of the practice of playing people out of position when there are options actually playing in that position, just using the most recent coach's experiments with that idea.....and the subsequent poor results....as an example
Mils at Centre?
Jordie on a wing?
SBarrett at 6?
Cullen at centre?
A Savea at 6That is off the top of my head. It's gone on forever. Pick the "best" players and stick them on a field has been a thing for ages.
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how may of those worked well though, like world class?....so i think its a fair critique
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm sure I saw that Hansen will be in that mix. He feels like Razor's Smith to me so I imagine he gets a voice
They broke it up as follows as far as responsibility for selections are made, this according to an interview with Razor before SR.
Ryan tight 5
Razor LF's
Hansen HBs and First fives
Holland MF
McDonald outside backsOverseen by Razor with Wayne Smiths in put.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
how may of those worked well though, like world class?....so i think its a fair critique
none of them!! all those are in World Cup exits! That's what i am saying, you were all "Fozzie was shit and did this" when everyone fucking does it. We're dumb at times when we are trying to be too clever.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@gt12 Maybe they'll have all five coaches around the table (+Leon to the four already mentioned)?
yeah sweet, committees are always the best and most efficient method of decision making
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
how may of those worked well though, like world class?....so i think its a fair critique
none of them!! all those are in World Cup exits! That's what i am saying, you were all "Fozzie was shit and did this" when everyone fucking does it. We're dumb at times when we are trying to be too clever.
maybe focus on the point...bad idea...than defending fozzie for some reason, he was just the most recent example and did it when not in a world cup, ie, had other options
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defend Foster? From a Chiefs fan? GTFO
But after years and years and years of "dur Fozzie sucks" we are still getting posts referencing him like he's the only one who selected guys out of position. It's tedious.
NZ Rugby has, for as long as i can remember, been far too in love with its depth, and loves to get clever trying to shoehorn players on to the field. And it very fucking rarely works. I will laugh out loud if we finally have a few 6s playing high quality football, and Mr. "innovative systems" just picks another 7.5 there.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Darry? No way
Strange it is then.
Mark Hinton has Quinten in the inside lane.
When pickings are slim Strange things happen!
I don't think Hinton has a great track record of inside oil - he's just stirring.
I imagine he's watching us having fun with it on here and decided to try and troll the rest of the country.
I will fucking laugh if Strange gets picked though. Deadshit central.
Drummies chances appear to have passed by though - it will have to be Hotham in the 9 shirt
I guess Drummie got his AB cap. Don't think he'll add to it.
If Quinten had done a bit less dumb shit this year, he probably would have an inside track. He and Ah Koui seemed to be the first choice AB XV locks last year.
And pickings are very slim with who's available and (assuming internet listings are close to correct) who has the size to be a genuine international lock. We seem to have a lot of quite short locks.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
NZ Rugby has, for as long as i can remember, been far too in love with its depth, and loves to get clever trying to shoehorn players on to the field. And it very fucking rarely works. I will laugh out loud if we finally have a few 6s playing high quality football, and Mr. "innovative systems" just picks another 7.5 there.
Your not wrong there, what's most annoying is that often there's no clear development plan at all for the player, they get no game time in their "new" position in NPC or SR.
Our attempts to be clever often result in the player having to try and learn their craft in the international arena - the worst and most unforgiving arena for you to make mistakes in. Yet we seem to do it all the time, with the same medicore results...
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
defend Foster? From a Chiefs fan? GTFO
But after years and years and years of "dur Fozzie sucks" we are still getting posts referencing him like he's the only one who selected guys out of position. It's tedious.
NZ Rugby has, for as long as i can remember, been far too in love with its depth, and loves to get clever trying to shoehorn players on to the field. And it very fucking rarely works. I will laugh out loud if we finally have a few 6s playing high quality football, and Mr. "innovative systems" just picks another 7.5 there.
Where's this bile for Razor coming from Mariner?
He hasn't even started and you are all over him at every opportunity.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If Quinten had done a bit less dumb shit this year, he probably would have an inside track. He and Ah Koui seemed to be the first choice AB XV locks last year.
Unfortunately the only part of Ah Koui's game that has improved this year is his post match interviews.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
defend Foster? From a Chiefs fan? GTFO
But after years and years and years of "dur Fozzie sucks" we are still getting posts referencing him like he's the only one who selected guys out of position. It's tedious.
NZ Rugby has, for as long as i can remember, been far too in love with its depth, and loves to get clever trying to shoehorn players on to the field. And it very fucking rarely works. I will laugh out loud if we finally have a few 6s playing high quality football, and Mr. "innovative systems" just picks another 7.5 there.
Where's this bile for Razor coming from Mariner?
He hasn't even started and you are all over him at every opportunity.
Concerned.don't be.
I wish the bloke all the best, and sincerely hope he's the guy to turn us back in to a side no one wants to play. I would love nothing more than for AB tests inevitable for all involved again.The tone of my posts on the Fern are purely a reflection of the absolute glazing from certain sections of the membership here for the past 4-5 years. It's bordered on fan fiction.
And lets face it, this thread is nothing but wild guesses thrown about by absolutely everyone involved. So if you're taking anything seriously that's on you
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Mils at Centre?
Mils is an interesting one, initially selected out of position at 15 because Bitchell hated Cullen, then selected out of position at 13 because early Conrad kept breaking.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
B
itchell hated CullenCullen was brokenFTFY
No he wasn't, he wasn't Cullen 1996 but he was the best fullback going in Super in 2003.
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blatant revisionism
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