All Blacks 2024
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Not suggesting Hotham will go near ABs this year or anything. Mind you I still say I be very surprised if Christie isn't in AB squad as a 9.
I'll also be a bit surprised if Christie doesn't make it into this first selection. If I were Razor and Co. I'd be picking pretty much as much continuity as I could from last year and then slowly ease out the guys I'm less enamoured with (and slowly ease in my newbies). They're going to have at least half a dozen spots for rookies, as it is.**
In the forwards, especially, I'm inclined to think Ryan would have pretty much had everyone he wanted last year. In the backs there's probably a bit more scope for the new selectors to be thinking, "why the hell did they pick him"?
Have they ever said exactly who is on the AB selection panel? I presume Razor and Ryan (forwards coach) - which would then logically suggest Holland (backs coach)?
On Hotham, I think anyone who's starting at halfback for their Super team isn't going to be too far away from the ABs this year. They're going to pick three halfbacks, but then if someone gets an injury....
**I'm a pretty reactionary selector - Razor might be a lot more adventurous!
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Darry? No way
Strange it is then.
Mark Hinton has Quinten in the inside lane.
When pickings are slim Strange things happen!
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It would be very fucking hard if Blackadder is selected as a 6 above guys doing the job there right now.
Its just not close to his best position - bench loosie, ok, but starting 6, blurc.
If they take 6 loosies, it should be pretty easy.
it would be a very Fozzie thing to do, get the 15 highest rated people on the pitch at the same time even if out of position
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It would be very fucking hard if Blackadder is selected as a 6 above guys doing the job there right now.
Its just not close to his best position - bench loosie, ok, but starting 6, blurc.
If they take 6 loosies, it should be pretty easy.
it would be a very Fozzie thing to do, get the 15 highest rated people on the pitch at the same time even if out of position
it's very unfair to make that a Fozzie thing. That's an AB thing.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It would be very fucking hard if Blackadder is selected as a 6 above guys doing the job there right now.
Its just not close to his best position - bench loosie, ok, but starting 6, blurc.
If they take 6 loosies, it should be pretty easy.
it would be a very Fozzie thing to do, get the 15 highest rated people on the pitch at the same time even if out of position
it's very unfair to make that a Fozzie thing. That's an AB thing.
maybe although i feel in the past it was due to having a genuine lack of depth in a position
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now you are creating sticks to beat him with. He's gone, the bad man can't hurt you know, Surf Jesus is here to make sure we never lose again
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Darry? No way
Strange it is then.
Mark Hinton has Quinten in the inside lane.
When pickings are slim Strange things happen!
I don't think Hinton has a great track record of inside oil - he's just taking a guess.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Darry? No way
Strange it is then.
Mark Hinton has Quinten in the inside lane.
When pickings are slim Strange things happen!
I don't think Hinton has a great track record of inside oil - he's just stirring.
I imagine he's watching us having fun with it on here and decided to try and troll the rest of the country.
I will fucking laugh if Strange gets picked though. Deadshit central.
Drummies chances appear to have passed by though - it will have to be Hotham in the 9 shirt
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
now you are creating sticks to beat him with. He's gone, the bad man can't hurt you know, Surf Jesus is here to make sure we never lose again
it was more a critique of the practice of playing people out of position when there are options actually playing in that position, just using the most recent coach's experiments with that idea.....and the subsequent poor results....as an example
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
now you are creating sticks to beat him with. He's gone, the bad man can't hurt you know, Surf Jesus is here to make sure we never lose again
it was more a critique of the practice of playing people out of position when there are options actually playing in that position, just using the most recent coach's experiments with that idea.....and the subsequent poor results....as an example
Mils at Centre?
Jordie on a wing?
SBarrett at 6?
Cullen at centre?
A Savea at 6That is off the top of my head. It's gone on forever. Pick the "best" players and stick them on a field has been a thing for ages.
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how may of those worked well though, like world class?....so i think its a fair critique
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm sure I saw that Hansen will be in that mix. He feels like Razor's Smith to me so I imagine he gets a voice
They broke it up as follows as far as responsibility for selections are made, this according to an interview with Razor before SR.
Ryan tight 5
Razor LF's
Hansen HBs and First fives
Holland MF
McDonald outside backsOverseen by Razor with Wayne Smiths in put.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
how may of those worked well though, like world class?....so i think its a fair critique
none of them!! all those are in World Cup exits! That's what i am saying, you were all "Fozzie was shit and did this" when everyone fucking does it. We're dumb at times when we are trying to be too clever.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@gt12 Maybe they'll have all five coaches around the table (+Leon to the four already mentioned)?
yeah sweet, committees are always the best and most efficient method of decision making
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
how may of those worked well though, like world class?....so i think its a fair critique
none of them!! all those are in World Cup exits! That's what i am saying, you were all "Fozzie was shit and did this" when everyone fucking does it. We're dumb at times when we are trying to be too clever.
maybe focus on the point...bad idea...than defending fozzie for some reason, he was just the most recent example and did it when not in a world cup, ie, had other options
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defend Foster? From a Chiefs fan? GTFO
But after years and years and years of "dur Fozzie sucks" we are still getting posts referencing him like he's the only one who selected guys out of position. It's tedious.
NZ Rugby has, for as long as i can remember, been far too in love with its depth, and loves to get clever trying to shoehorn players on to the field. And it very fucking rarely works. I will laugh out loud if we finally have a few 6s playing high quality football, and Mr. "innovative systems" just picks another 7.5 there.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Darry? No way
Strange it is then.
Mark Hinton has Quinten in the inside lane.
When pickings are slim Strange things happen!
I don't think Hinton has a great track record of inside oil - he's just stirring.
I imagine he's watching us having fun with it on here and decided to try and troll the rest of the country.
I will fucking laugh if Strange gets picked though. Deadshit central.
Drummies chances appear to have passed by though - it will have to be Hotham in the 9 shirt
I guess Drummie got his AB cap. Don't think he'll add to it.
If Quinten had done a bit less dumb shit this year, he probably would have an inside track. He and Ah Koui seemed to be the first choice AB XV locks last year.
And pickings are very slim with who's available and (assuming internet listings are close to correct) who has the size to be a genuine international lock. We seem to have a lot of quite short locks.
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