New Crusaders coach

taniwharugby

while the path he has tread to get to where he has is one people want more so compared to some others that get appointments, but you could argue with the cattle he has had at his disposal, those results were expected anyway, aside from this year.
 
So while on the surface underwhelming, guess we will have to see what he does next year, especially without the crusaders main strike weapon.

Mokey

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Scott Robertson is an excellent appointment. He has worked his way up through the system from club level, and has won two ITM Cup titles. That's more than the rest of the current Super Rugby head coaches combined. Sure, this year's NZ U20s campaign wasn't flash, but give him some credit he did win the tournament last year for goodness sake. To posters who are underwhelmed by Robertson's appointment, I would simply ask; what more do you want from a rookie Super Rugby coach?
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 I coulda sworn Dave Rennie had two Super titles with the Chiefs, an NPC title with Wellington, and three consecutive World U20 titles with the Baby Blacks.
 
Edit: And oh yeah, as TR said, a recent annihilation of a top tier international side.

mariner4life

fuck all really when you think about it. And what's he won lately?

taniwharugby

a one off series v Wales :)

Gunner

How about Jamie Joseph, I have nagging feeling he may have won something a while back...can't remember what though...??

taniwharugby

My guess is Cantabfan4life79 was meaning at time of appointment his credentials were better...but then as I said above, the expectations were to win anyway, it wasn't like he took a team like NH and made them into the team they should be with their resources.

SammyC

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Scott Robertson is an excellent appointment. He has worked his way up through the system from club level, and has won two ITM Cup titles. That's more than the rest of the current Super Rugby head coaches combined. Sure, this year's NZ U20s campaign wasn't flash, but give him some credit he did win the tournament last year for goodness sake. To posters who are underwhelmed by Robertson's appointment, I would simply ask; what more do you want from a rookie Super Rugby coach?
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I'll tell you what I wanted.
 
A bloke like Schmidt, Cotter or Deans. International experience and a man manager.
 
Or even Rob Penny. But it's pretty obvious he doesn't suck the right c##k to even be considered.
 
At least when he was coach of Canterbury he was out watching club rugby every weekend, same with Deans and Wayne Smith for that matter.
 
The only time I've seen Robertson is at the odd Sumner game, and he was acting like a total buffoon.

SammyC

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With one of the best teams we've seen in years (and some pretty good coaches around him, too). 
 
This year, with a team that has a reasonable amount of talent, they looked terrible. He basically decided that we should run at all costs, from all areas of the field, despite the torrential rain. It is all well and good wanting to play expansive rugby, but at least try and go about it smarter than that.
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This, the team looked poorly coached, unprepared for wet weather rugby and a complete disaster at the set piece. This all relfects on coaching and selection in my opinion

rotated

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At least when he was coach of Canterbury he was out watching club rugby every weekend, same with Deans and Wayne Smith for that matter.
 
The only time I've seen Robertson is at the odd Sumner game, and he was acting like a total buffoon.
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Won't be a problem now as Crusaders coach as their recruiting focus is much further north than the Canterbury club rugby scene.
 
Very positive appointment for the other four NZ franchises. Will surely solidify over the next 18 months the Crusaders fall from being the defacto franchise of choice for most players when it comes to recruitment.
 
What an absolute stunner - another AB gets a coaching gig. That's what 8 of the last 10 appointments? Too lopsided to believe this is even close to merit based - especially when you look at the talent forced overseas and what they are achieving.

Cantab79

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 I coulda sworn Dave Rennie had two Super titles with the Chiefs, an NPC title with Wellington, and three consecutive World U20 titles with the Baby Blacks.
 
Edit: And oh yeah, as TR said, a recent annihilation of a top tier international side.
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A very odd and defensive post. Clearly I was referring to what each coach had one when they were appointed to their SR role.

Cantab79

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I'll tell you what I wanted.
 
A bloke like Schmidt, Cotter or Deans. International experience and a man manager.
 
Or even Rob Penny. But it's pretty obvious he doesn't suck the right c##k to even be considered.
 
At least when he was coach of Canterbury he was out watching club rugby every weekend, same with Deans and Wayne Smith for that matter.
 
The only time I've seen Robertson is at the odd Sumner game, and he was acting like a total buffoon.
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I am extremely happy that the NZRU has rewarded a highly successful ITM Cup coach with a SR job. What's the point of running provincial Rugby if it isn't a breeding ground for SR players and coaches?

gt12

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I am extremely happy that the NZRU has rewarded a highly successful ITM Cup coach with a SR job. What's the point of running provincial Rugby if it isn't a breeding ground for SR players and coaches?
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Enjoy. 
 
I'm usually more in favour of having a process similar to the way the ABS have been developing players, where ITM Cup coaches are recognized and brought in to the Super format, where if they are then (judged to be) successful, they get to go up to head coach roles. I prefer that as it shows where ITM Cup should rightly be - a lower grade of rugby where success may not translated to the higher level.
 
I should note that Dave Rennie has worked out pretty well for us at the Chiefs - and he doesn't fill that criteria. We got lucky - but he also had very experienced assistants.
 
And, the con side will bring up Hammett too, I guess :)
 
Anyway, it looks like an underwhelming appointment right now - that U20s team were proper shit compared to what they should have been, mainly for reasons within his control.

Cantab79

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Enjoy. 
 
I'm usually more in favour of having a process similar to the way the ABS have been developing players, where ITM Cup coaches are recognized and brought in to the Super format, where if they are then (judged to be) successful, they get to go up to head coach roles. I prefer that as it shows where ITM Cup should rightly be - a lower grade of rugby where success may not translated to the higher level.
 
I should note that Dave Rennie has worked out pretty well for us at the Chiefs - and he doesn't fill that criteria. We got lucky - but he also had very experienced assistants.
 
And, the con side will bring up Hammett too, I guess :)
 
Anyway, it looks like an underwhelming appointment right now - that U20s team were proper shit compared to what they should have been, mainly for reasons within his control.
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So you're ignoring his title winning coaching performance with the U20s last year, not to mention his dual ITM Cup winning campaigns, and focusing solely on this year's U20s? Seems fair and reasonable.

Billy Tell

Hmmm. I don't really think Robertson is Forrest Gump. I'll give him a season to see what he can conjure up.
 
Who said Schmidt applied?? I'm calling that as BS.

Stargazer

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So you're ignoring his title winning coaching performance with the U20s last year, not to mention his dual ITM Cup winning campaigns, and focusing solely on this year's U20s? Seems fair and reasonable.
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For some strange reason, some people think that last year's success had everything to do with the quality of the players and nothing with Razor's coaching skills, yet this year, the failure of the team to make the semis, has everything to do with his (lack of) coaching skills and nothing with the quality of the players. Odd reasoning in my opinion. I think this year's squad - especially many (but not all of) the forwards - was not of the same quality as last year's. That may have to do with selection choices, but could also have to do with the talent available.
 
Having said that, I think I'd prefer a new SR coach to have some experience at SR levels coaching before becoming head coach. So appointing an SR assistant coach or a coach with experience at English premiership teams, national teams etc. makes more sense to me than a coach with "only" NPC coaching experience, no matter how good his results have been. However, if the media are correct, the players seem to prefer Robertson and a lot of players still need to be re-signed. The way a head coach fits in a team and the team culture may be important, too.
 
Edit: like Billy Tell, I think it's good just to wait and see how he goes next season before concluding it was a bad appointment.

Cantab79

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Hmmm. I don't really think Robertson is Forrest Gump. I'll give him a season to see what he can conjure up.
 
Who said Schmidt applied?? I'm calling that as BS.
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He didn't apply. His name was linked with the job, but that was it.

Billy Tell

Well someone was adamant he had applied, but I'm not buying it. The Highlanders might be another matter.

SammyC

It was me, you've already said earlier in the thread you don't believe me. 
The information came from a friend employed by the Crusaders. I stand by it
 
Kind of pointless discussing it now anyway

Billy Tell

Well we never know unless Schmidt himself makes a statement which he won't. The crusaders have always been about looking after the locals - which has its pluses and minuses - but the CVs of Robertson and Schmidt are chalk and cheese.

gt12

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So you're ignoring his title winning coaching performance with the U20s last year, not to mention his dual ITM Cup winning campaigns, and focusing solely on this year's U20s? Seems fair and reasonable.
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No, I'm not ignoring it - I think you are looking for a debate where there isn't one? I outlined my reasons for why I think someone with Super experience would have been a better appointment - specifically referring to my opinion of where I think ITM Cup should stand when being considered. Clearly, you and the Crusaders board have a different view. I think I even noted that my beloved Chiefs hadn't followed this view of ITM cup, and that it has worked out OK for us. So, I'm not sure what you are looking for from me?
 
Regarding the recent U20s, they were shit. Straight up crap strategy and tactics, and should have been better than they were with better selections. I'm not sure who else to blame for that, except the coaches. Are you saying that we don't have the cattle in NZ for our under 20 team to beat Ireland? That it is acceptable to not make the semis? I think that's a minimum requirement and reflects poorly on all concerned. Accordingly, I think his stock has dipped and that his prior success should be reconsidered. He's probably not as good as his results to date have suggested - that's probably why I said it's an underwhelming appointment right now. Last week, I think the news would have been greeted with less discussion, but it's this week, and his most recent team just got bailed out looking shit. Regardless, that's not why I think he shouldn't have got the job (see above).
 
Look, maybe you guys will win it all and he's the best ever. I'm sceptical, and I suspect there were better candidates. Having said that, you guys have already scared away the best coach inside your region anyway (thanks by the way!), so maybe he is the best candidate who applied.

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New Crusaders coach