All Blacks 2024.. locked
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Stag said in All Blacks 2024:
@Gunner Ioane is not and will not be a lock in at centre, we need a distributor and real reader of the game at centre going forward
You're a ridiculously tough marker.
I'd say Ioane's strengths are pace (elite) and defensive execution.
He's fair to middling on distribution (for a centre) and positioning
Work-on is (as always) visionHe's grown massively, and is a solid as you like. I suspect he'll still be the first name on the team sheet next year.
Over to you, who is that centre that's better than Ioane?
I agree, and I'd also add that he is rarely given the ball in any kind of space to test his vision. We use our midfield as a battering ram these days, Jordie runs straight and hard, and on occasion throws an offload or a skip pass to the wing - I can't recall a time where he managed to put Rieko into a gap leading to a decision needing to be made.
Edit - should add, that's not a dig at Jordie, running hard and straight is exactly what we need from him. Just saying it has a bearing on the opportunities for those outside him
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024:
I think Razor absolutely has names penciled in to keep an eye on at super next year that are outside the current squad, he will have players he will want to suit how he wants the ABs to play, the continuity with Ryan will no doubt help too.
Do we have the make up of his full coaching team yet?
Scott Robertson’s All Blacks coaching team confirmed
The four coaches who will assist Scott Robertson has been announced.
back in april, not sure if there are other positions to fill
Incumbent All Blacks forwards coach Ryan will continue his role in 2024. Current Blues coach MacDonald will lead the attack with assistance from Hurricanes coach Holland, while Crusaders assistant coach Hansen will be in charge of defence. Nic Gill, who has been a key part of the All Blacks management group since 2008, will stay on as head of performance, leading the health and performance team.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Stag said in All Blacks 2024:
@Gunner Ioane is not and will not be a lock in at centre, we need a distributor and real reader of the game at centre going forward
You're a ridiculously tough marker.
I'd say Ioane's strengths are pace (elite) and defensive execution.
He's fair to middling on distribution (for a centre) and positioning
Work-on is (as always) visionHe's grown massively, and is a solid as you like. I suspect he'll still be the first name on the team sheet next year.
Over to you, who is that centre that's better than Ioane?
I agree, and I'd also add that he is rarely given the ball in any kind of space to test his vision. We use our midfield as a battering ram these days, Jordie runs straight and hard, and on occasion throws an offload or a skip pass to the wing - I can't recall a time where he managed to put Rieko into a gap leading to a decision needing to be made.
Yup. Generally the two midfielders have been running very close together and it's up to JB to make the decision to crash it up, pop to RI on his shoulder or go to one of the options out the back. If RI is in space it's after bursting through on a short pass, not getting an outside break. It's a tactical decision and I presume it was about dealing with the rush defence
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
Cane is signed until 2025. I've no idea if he has a sabbatical option though
From the press release when he last re-signed:
As part of his contract, Cane has the option of taking a non-playing or playing break from the New Zealand game in 2024.
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i wonder if we will actually get a decent Super season, as now there are no guarantees. There is no pacing yourself for the international season for a few guys. I would assume Razor has a totally different idea of what he wants to the current lot, and i expect surprises. Should be fun.
Provincial wagons will definitely be circled on here.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Stag said in All Blacks 2024:
@Gunner Ioane is not and will not be a lock in at centre, we need a distributor and real reader of the game at centre going forward
You're a ridiculously tough marker.
I'd say Ioane's strengths are pace (elite) and defensive execution.
He's fair to middling on distribution (for a centre) and positioning
Work-on is (as always) visionHe's grown massively, and is a solid as you like. I suspect he'll still be the first name on the team sheet next year.
Over to you, who is that centre that's better than Ioane?
Not to say that he is even in the same ball park as the GOAT, but lots of people thought Nonu wouldn't make it as an AB centre, but he didn't bloom until late
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Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Stag said in All Blacks 2024:
@Gunner Ioane is not and will not be a lock in at centre, we need a distributor and real reader of the game at centre going forward
You're a ridiculously tough marker.
I'd say Ioane's strengths are pace (elite) and defensive execution.
He's fair to middling on distribution (for a centre) and positioning
Work-on is (as always) visionHe's grown massively, and is a solid as you like. I suspect he'll still be the first name on the team sheet next year.
Over to you, who is that centre that's better than Ioane?
Not to say that he is even in the same ball park as the GOAT, but lots of people thought Nonu wouldn't make it as an AB centre, but he didn't bloom until late
I thought Nonu could be done after he blew marking BOD in Hamilton back in '09 or so. But he came back to be the GOAT 12.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
i laffed then i thought yes yes yes select this hypothetical guy!
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
i laffed then i thought yes yes yes select this hypthetical guy!
fark he'd be awesome
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
i laffed then i thought yes yes yes select this hypthetical guy!
fark he'd be awesome
maybe somewhere there is a SA genetics lab with an onduty witchdoctor that takes requests..
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
Has Razor got enough international experience !!
not at losing, he hasn't!
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2024:
From the press release when he last re-signed:
As part of his contract, Cane has the option of taking a non-playing or playing break from the New Zealand game in 2024.
A good chance Cane takes that now I would suggest.
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@mariner4life what provincial wagons are those?
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I would think Razor is in a very good position as a selector to pick the 2024 squad.
For the last 7 years he has coached and coached against all the NZ players in SR,
He would have a good handle on players strengths which he would have had to combat and any weakness which he would be looking to exploit.
And knowing the same about the players he had coached.
I guess McDonald and Holland should also be aware of who fits into their vision of The ABs tactics and game shape.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life what provincial wagons are those?
lol yes
But those north of the Bombays will be just as vociferous
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024:
i wonder why people think roberson will pick a team that they will approve of. for example he may think cane is the best person to lead the team next year as a lot of experence has gone and needs a leader that has the experence to bring the new players in
Yeah, we have no idea what team he will pick outside of the Crusaders bubble he's been in. He probably hasn't analysed a lot of the non Crusaders players from a selectorial point of view.
you think? i kind of think to get the gig he would/should have shown how much he knew about players outside his current team, i also think he'll have a very good idea on all the other players in NZ from oppo research and surely you cant help but think "i wish i could pick them"
One thing i do hope he does is reevaluate people that fozzie may have looked and and discarded (AI?), just to confirm if they werent up to it or if a different coach cant get the best out of them
Well I guess I should have been more specific in that as a Crusaders coach he wouldn't have been doing that, do I think he has been doing that since Super finished, yes of course. But that doesn't help any of us as fans have an idea of where he will lean. I was talking more of the mindset of evaluating players always in the context of your team rather than as an opposition coach. For example, I know that Razor has evaluated Fakatava in the context of his team because he tried to get him for the Crusaders. Not sure if he's ever looked at the Ginga in the same way?
So don't disagree with your post, just think you misinterpreted mine a bit.
I think the problem for AI is the fat forwards coach and he aint changing. He preferred that women hitting passenger who played in the final, Jacobsen and Ta$man Jesus.
