RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland
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@His-Bobness said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@MajorRage Fair enough. You have a different view. I think the Irish started getting up the noses of a lot of people when they started playing well and winning. I suspect the two things are connected.
I've no doubt there's a considerable element of truth in that statement. I've witnessed it ad nauseum in sports when teams start winning regularly. And to be fair, a lot of people acknowledged how well Ireland played over the last few years and how well they've set up their systems.
Any team that starts winning tends to attract bandwagon supporters and national teams magnify that. The issue is the attracted occasional fan tends not to understand the subtleties, nor the culture. Hence you get an increasing percentage of mouthy piston wristed gibbons that irritate all concerned.
But for all that, I can only think of two Irish players that came in for any opprobrium. One that mouthed off to our captain and was near invisible in Ireland's biggest game, and one who is near universally derided for his character.
And I think Test rugby is in a better place with a stronger Ireland.
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@Billy-Webb said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Billy-Webb what's your tipping form been like so far in the competition Billy? Just wondering if it merits a hedge
It's actually been pretty good results wise (not points difference though).
Hedge away
Hope you made some $ @stodders
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Ireland are a really fucking good team. They are very well coached and have some excellent rugby players. They deserved to be No. 1 at the start of the tournament and it is a fucking excellent result that our limited AB team could get over them to advance.
It's also great that as part of this victory we can say piss off to the guy who sledged our captain and a player who - despite being really fucking good, maybe the best Irish player ever - still seems to be an absolute piston wristed gibbon. Not in the leave it on the field Coles etc away, but a chase referees down the tunnel to have-a-go-at-them way.
Both are true and it's pretty classless to conflate them IMO.
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@chimoaus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Losing to France was a master stroke, all hail king Fozzie.
Cunning bugger, eh? He's in the Semis and Gaultier isn't.
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@ShitMcCaw said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Every Irish person that reads this forum and reads all of the CONSTANT and incessant WHINING about the supposedly offensive and egregious and horrible personalities of Sexton and O’Mahony!!
You should have seen some of shit we gave Akira for being a dickhead...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@ShitMcCaw said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Every Irish person that reads this forum and reads all of the CONSTANT and incessant WHINING about the supposedly offensive and egregious and horrible personalities of Sexton and O’Mahony!!
You should have seen some of shit we gave Akira for being a dickhead...
We also used to bag Frizell a lot before we got so dependent on him. I mean, it’s one thing to ditch a winger for hitting the town, we have 47 of those in the squad. Ain’t no way we’re tossing our prime beef out like that, the no dickhead policy has limits!
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@MN5 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Doesn’t it get so much tougher at our age ?
I think the bottle of red wine I had after the IPAs wasn’t a wise move but it seemed fitting while watching the election.
Fuck me. The youth of today seriously need to harden up.
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@gt12 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Ireland a really fucking good team. They are very well coached and have some excellent rugby players. They deserved to be No. 1 at the start of the tournament and it is a fucking excellent result that our limited AB team could get over them to advance.
It's also great that as part of this victory we can say piss off to the guy who sledged our captain and a player who - despite being really fucking good, maybe the best Irish player ever - still seems to be an absolute piston wristed gibbon. Not in the leave it on the field Coles etc away, but a chase referees down the tunnel to have-a-go-at-them way.
Both are true and it's pretty classless to conflate them IMO.
Or run from the stands when not playing ....
To be fair, it's pretty easy to look at the reaction on here to Sexton and think it's all because Ireland have certainly had the better of us last few years. If I was going to be angry at players about that though, he'd be a bit down on my list. Irish back row firmly at the top of it, followed by the centres.
I'm not angry at O'Mahoney though. Just enjoying seeing our boy Cane get his revenge on a pretty tasteless sledge.
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@voodoo said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@ShitMcCaw said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Every Irish person that reads this forum and reads all of the CONSTANT and incessant WHINING about the supposedly offensive and egregious and horrible personalities of Sexton and O’Mahony!!
You should have seen some of shit we gave Akira for being a dickhead...
We also used to bag Frizell a lot before we got so dependent on him. I mean, it’s one thing to ditch a winger for hitting the town, we have 47 of those in the squad. Ain’t no way we’re tossing our prime beef out like that, the no dickhead policy has limits!
I did wonder when Telea was disciplined it indicated the team had got it's collective discipline together like it famously did after 2004
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@His-Bobness Who is their South African? Please don't say van der Flier
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This thread now….
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@Nepia said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@Stargazer said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
the fuck were the other 4 million people doing??
Disgraceful
Watching replays of the Warriors I assume.
Who?
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Firstly, I really don't have a problem with Ireland growing and becoming no.1 - it's good for the game and we end up with nail-biters like Saturday. But as far as I'm concerned, there's banter and there's obnoxious disrespect for the opposition and what the game is about.
On the former, what goes on the pitch stays on the pitch,- think POM, Gregan, Fitzy, JdV or Colesy - but it's fair game for supporters to take the piss out of those situations in the same spirit, particularly when the biter is bitten.
If Reiko said something after the match, then that's bad too and I'd pretty much imagine he got a talking to by the leadership group, but he doesn't act like that all the time. I'd put Maro Itoje in the same camp and it's been bloody great to see Borthwick stamp that sort of stuff out. He's a better player for that.
But there's a clear distinction between that and the sort of stuff which Sexton gets up to almost as a deliberate policy - abusing the refs, Hollywood dives and generally acting like a childish fluffybunny after the game. I'll include Rassie & Eddie Jones in that camp as well. It crosses a line and it's bang out of order. It's a blight on the game and Sexton does nothing but demean his reputation as one of the great rugby players.
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@junior said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@ShitMcCaw said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Meh. You are better than us but all the bad mouthing of sexton by all blacks fans comes across as weak to me. He pumped you a good few times and that doesn’t sit will with you because he’s not meek and self effacing like you expect us to be. But guess what. Winning is what counts and we’ve gone from never beating you to pumping you five times in ten years. Would be a sad and soppy game if we turned everything into a saddo popularity contest. Maybe have a bit of grace and realise he’s one of the best you’ve come across.
Sorry, mate, but this is one of the worst takes on Sexton I've ever read. He is loathed by every group of rugby fans around the world, not just us AB fans who supposedly expect him to be meek. He's "pumped" plenty of other teams many more times and their fans all agree that he is a fucking cock (still a great rugby player, and probably the second greatest Irish player in m lifetime, to be fair to the man).
Keith Wood?
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People saying Ireland didn't choke but I think they did a bit at the end there. 36 odd phases and they didn't really fire a shot, I think too scared of losing the ball given the occasion. They'd do things differently if they had that time again I think.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
@chimoaus said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:
Losing to France was a master stroke, all hail king Fozzie.
Cunning bugger, eh? He's in the Semis and Gaultier isn't.
3 losers in the semis.
England hottest of unbeaten hot hot favourites.
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@No-Quarter They backed their "cut and paste" attack to pry open the ABs defence.
They had made good progress down the pitch. The Irish breakdown work was exemplary for the most part in that last stanza and they were getting nearer to the line.
It took incredible discipline for NZ not to cough up the penalty (which would have been kicked to the corner) and patience to wait for opportunities to effect the winning breakdown turnover/penalty.
Ireland didn't think NZ had that patience and discipline. I'll bet a fair number of NZ fans didn't either
