Canes vs Chiefs
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<p>I'm out people. Let the battle commence on Saturday. Chahoooo :hi:</p>
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<p>Ardie vs Cane stats 2016. Enough said. Ardie is dominating in all facets.</p>
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<p>Minutes: A - 539 C - 521</p>
<p>Tries: A - 3 C - 3</p>
<p>Carries: A- 72 C - 57</p>
<p>Metres: A-273 C-116</p>
<p>Clean Breaks: A - 9 C- 2</p>
<p>Defenders Beaten: A - 14 C - 5</p>
<p>Tackles: A- 80 C- 72</p>
<p>Missed Tackles: A - 8 C - 10</p>
<p>Tackle Success: A - 90.9% C- 87.8%</p>
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<p>Would need:</p>
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<p>Errors</p>
<p>Penalties Conceded</p>
<p>Turnovers won</p>
<p>Cleanouts</p>
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<p>To get the full picture.</p>
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<p>I'm happy that they're both playing so well though.</p>
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<p>I honestly don't think the All Blacks this year will skip a beat. Many pundits (mostly overseas) have suggested that the departure of so much experience would hit them hard, but it looks like instead we will get a rejuvenated squad that will be able to stamp a fresh mark.</p>
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<p>Losing McCaw is always going to be a blow, but there is now room for a guy like Savea in the squad to offer something new. Fantastic!</p> -
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<p>Hes faster, Id say pound for pound hes the strongest player in Super Rugby and if you watch his work rate he is unbelievable. A mate and I were watching the game against the Rebels and were just gobsmacked at how good he is for a 21 year old. <strong>Mark my words he will be the best Canes player ever by the end of his career.</strong></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Don Frye" data-cid="573179" data-time="1460943075">
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<p>Would need:</p>
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<p>Errors</p>
<p>Penalties Conceded</p>
<p>Turnovers won</p>
<p>Cleanouts</p>
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<p>To get the full picture.</p>
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<p>I'm happy that they're both playing so well though.</p>
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<p>I honestly don't think the All Blacks this year will skip a beat. Many pundits (mostly overseas) have suggested that the departure of so much experience would hit them hard, but it looks like instead we will get a rejuvenated squad that will be able to stamp a fresh mark.</p>
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<p>Losing McCaw is always going to be a blow, but there is now room for a guy like Savea in the squad to offer something new. Fantastic!</p>
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<p>even then you don't paint the full picture, as Wayne Smith often alludes in regard to tackle stats and a bunch of others probably too.</p> -
<p>Matt Todd will surpass both of them. I've got a youtube link coming soon</p>
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<p>even then, stats don't paint the full picture, as Wayne Smith often alludes in regard to tackle stats.</p>
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<p>True.</p>
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<p>*Fuller picture</p> -
Don't think there is as much of a gulf between the two in terms of form and class as some suggest. Cane is number one no doubt due to his experience and performances in black. However that has no relation to Savea. Just means he was on the scene earlier and took his opporutunities well. I have no doubt that if cane and todd werent around that Ardie would have been mccaws back up for the last season or two. The ABs management have rated him for a long time. <br><br>
Don't really agree with the calls that Savea's qualities won't translate to tests. Going hard trucking up the ball in traffic, good breakdown work, good defence and skills and pace in the open is exactly what i want from an AB 7. Completely different player to say Adam Thompson who was great in the open but suffered in contact.<br><br>
Regardless im glad we have them both and would much rather Cane and Savea to poopah, who people around the world have been raving about for ages now. Having Cane and Ardie together is almost like Mccaw 2.0 and Jones 2.0 (in playing style not just skin colour) -
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<p>Would need:</p>
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<p>Handling Errors & Knock Ons: A - 8 C - 10</p>
<p>Penalties Conceded: A - 5 C - 11</p>
<p>Turnovers won: A - 9 C - 4</p>
<p>Cleanouts: - no stats</p>
<p>Yellow Cards: A - 1 C - 0</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="pukunui" data-cid="573186" data-time="1460944353">
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<p>Don't think there is as much of a gulf between the two in terms of form and class as some suggest. Cane is number one no doubt due to his experience and performances in black. However that has no relation to Savea. Just means he was on the scene earlier and took his opporutunities well. I have no doubt that if cane and todd werent around that Ardie would have been mccaws back up for the last season or two. The ABs management have rated him for a long time.<br><br>
Don't really agree with the calls that Savea's qualities won't translate to tests. Going hard trucking up the ball in traffic, good breakdown work, good defence and skills and pace in the open is exactly what i want from an AB 7. Completely different player to say Adam Thompson who was great in the open but suffered in contact.<br><br>
Regardless im glad we have them both and would much rather Cane and Savea to poopah, who people around the world have been raving about for ages now. Having Cane and Ardie together is almost like Mccaw 2.0 and Jones 2.0 (in playing style not just skin colour)</p>
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<p>Finally someone with a bit of sense. </p> -
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<p>Matt Todd will surpass both of them. I've got a youtube link coming soon</p>
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<p>Matt Todd is too boring for a Youtube link.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Canes4life" data-cid="573198" data-time="1460946893">
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<p>Finally someone with a bit of sense. </p>
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<p>Including that guy at the start of the thread.</p>
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<p>Everyone here probably agrees with Pukunui. It was the initial hyperbole that was reacted to.</p>
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<p>BTW if Ardie surpasses Cully, Jonah and Tana as the best ever player for the Canes I would be surprised. Not saying it would be a bad thing at all, just surprised.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="573201" data-time="1460947247"><p>Including that guy at the start of the thread.<br>
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Everyone here probably agrees with Pukunui. It was the initial hyperbole that was reacted to.<br>
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BTW if Ardie surpasses Cully, Jonah and Tana as the best ever player for the Canes I would be surprised. Not saying it would be a bad thing at all, just surprised.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Matt Todd is too boring for a Youtube link.</p>
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<p>Including that guy at the start of the thread.</p>
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<p>Everyone here probably agrees with Pukunui. It was the initial hyperbole that was reacted to.</p>
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<p>BTW if Ardie surpasses Cully, Jonah and Tana as the best ever player for the Canes I would be surprised. Not saying it would be a bad thing at all, just surprised.</p>
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<p>How can you think my statement of them dueling it out for an All Black spot is a Hyperbole?? Cane is the incumbent and he is in the leadership group, but he doesn't own the jersey. To think he did would be pure stupidity. Isn't that what makes the All Blacks so great?? Players pushing the incumbents for positions is what creates competition and forces both players to perform at their peak with fear of losing their spot to the player next in line.</p>
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<p>Same goes for a player like Keiran Read. I don't think hes played anywhere near his best in the last year, however I guess he hasn't needed to as there hasn't really been a strong enough candidate to push him to his playing limit.</p>
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<p>I actually take back my comment on the greatest Hurricane but I would say he has a great chance of being our best forward ever. Cant go past Cully as being our greatest player, that guy was a machine.</p> -
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<p>Don't think there is as much of a gulf between the two in terms of form and class as some suggest. Cane is number one no doubt due to his experience and performances in black. However that has no relation to Savea. Just means he was on the scene earlier and took his opporutunities well. I have no doubt that if cane and todd werent around that Ardie would have been mccaws back up for the last season or two. The ABs management have rated him for a long time.<br><br>
Don't really agree with the calls that Savea's qualities won't translate to tests. Going hard trucking up the ball in traffic, good breakdown work, good defence and skills and pace in the open is exactly what i want from an AB 7. Completely different player to say Adam Thompson who was great in the open but suffered in contact.<br><br>
Regardless im glad we have them both and would much rather Cane and Savea to poopah, who people around the world have been raving about for ages now. Having Cane and Ardie together is almost like Mccaw 2.0 and Jones 2.0 (in playing style not just skin colour)</p>
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<p>Yeah, Cane is clearly superior right now to Savea. Sevens or not, Cane should be starting against Wales.</p>
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<p>However, I have been surprised if people have watched Savea and don't think he would become a quality test #7. He makes a lot of carries, tackles heaps, is always in support and gets plenty of turnovers. I don't know what areas of his game Savea needs to work on. He is a far better option than Todd and Shane Christie is probably still ahead of Blake Gibson for mine.</p> -
<p>Does anyone know if Savea has a clause for Sevens. Like if he gets picked for the All Blacks can he choose to play for them or is he fully committed to Sevens?? </p>
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<p>Personally id rather see him stay and play 15s.</p> -
<p>you'd think as a 20yr old, the shot at an Olympic Gold medal will be a huge draw card for him, especially knowing he is unlikely first pick for the ABs 7 jersey, I honestly don't think this will impact his AB career.</p>
