RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland
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@semper said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@junior said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@chimoaus said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
It is very odd choice not to have a kicker behind a forward orientated game plan. It’s obvious to all these right games are won with the boot.
Which makes it a relatively easy fix - I would be feeling very motivated right now if I was in the Boks squad.
Really?
You squeeze the Irish lineout to the point of malfunction, you get plenty of territory, you avoid any back injuries so your 7-1 split works, you get your bomb squad on, and you slow down Irish ball massively.
You still lose.
And in doing so, butcher the confidence of your chosen out half.
South Africa are coached like a kids team, they have a coach who doesn't even trust them to choose whether to kick for the corner or posts and is Eddie Jones like in his need for attention with 'innovations'. The lack of a kicking option and the lack of a back up hooker was a choice not something imposed randomly or the result of injury.
They might turn it after this or they might implode. Sometimes when your too smart, you don't know where to put your feet.
Perhaps Boks didn't mind losing?
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
The 3 residency players in the squad is probably the last of the bunch as IRFU have shifted to their IQ Rugby programme since 2017. In short, they want already Irish qualified players picked for the provinces.
Let’s be honest. The move from 3 to 5 years forced their hand.
In part yes. They announced IQ Rugby a couple of weeks after WR made their announcement but had been planning it for a number of months. The writing was on the wall anyway - there were too many duds and too many NIQ players filling up the squads within the provincial quotas. They're now at 94% Irish qualified, with only 10-11 players who are ineligible to play due to being capped elsewhere.
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@semper said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
If the All Blacks wanted to call up a player with the Irish provinces, there was nothing to stop them. The provinces wouldn't have tried to stop them and the players would hardly have said no.
For matches in window. There's no way they'd release for RC.
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@booboo said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@semper said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
If the All Blacks wanted to call up a player with the Irish provinces, there was nothing to stop them. The provinces wouldn't have tried to stop them and the players would hardly have said no.
For matches in window. There's no way they'd release for RC.
The RC is in a test window set by World Rugby. Aki's colleagues at Connacht have been released for any test matches when required. Equally, Snyman and de Allende at Munster for SA and Alaalatoa at Leinster for Samoa.
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@booboo said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@semper said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
If the All Blacks wanted to call up a player with the Irish provinces, there was nothing to stop them. The provinces wouldn't have tried to stop them and the players would hardly have said no.
For matches in window. There's no way they'd release for RC.
The RC is in a test window set by World Rugby. Aki's colleagues at Connacht have been released for any test matches when required. Equally, Snyman and de Allende at Munster for SA and Alaalatoa at Leinster for Samoa.
Really? My apologies.
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@booboo said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@booboo said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@semper said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
If the All Blacks wanted to call up a player with the Irish provinces, there was nothing to stop them. The provinces wouldn't have tried to stop them and the players would hardly have said no.
For matches in window. There's no way they'd release for RC.
The RC is in a test window set by World Rugby. Aki's colleagues at Connacht have been released for any test matches when required. Equally, Snyman and de Allende at Munster for SA and Alaalatoa at Leinster for Samoa.
Really? My apologies.
Yes, otherwise SA would have no players for the RC. The money making games outside the windows are different, also second bled is not in window.
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@booboo said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@booboo said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
@semper said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
If the All Blacks wanted to call up a player with the Irish provinces, there was nothing to stop them. The provinces wouldn't have tried to stop them and the players would hardly have said no.
For matches in window. There's no way they'd release for RC.
The RC is in a test window set by World Rugby. Aki's colleagues at Connacht have been released for any test matches when required. Equally, Snyman and de Allende at Munster for SA and Alaalatoa at Leinster for Samoa.
Really? My apologies.
Yes, otherwise SA would have no players for the RC. The money making games outside the windows are different, also second bled is not in window.
I'm not sure that is correct.
I thought there were July and Oct/Nov windows - but the RC matches fell outside those.
happy to be corrected; as usual I can't find anything about it on the World Rugby website or Google ... but I thought the formal windows excluded the RC
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RC is in the release window, just not Bled. Otherwise no one would release their SA players in the NH. Heck they even had Willie Le Roux flying back from OZ for the bye weekend prior to Covid, as the bye weekend doesn't count, then flying back to SA for the game afterwards
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
RC is in the release window, just not Bled. Otherwise no one would release their SA players in the NH. Heck they even had Willie Le Roux flying back from OZ for the bye weekend prior to Covid, as the bye weekend doesn't count, then flying back to SA for the game afterwards
Regulations | World Rugby
Information about the game's laws and regulations, including the World Rugby Laws app
9.7(i) Global Release Periods
There are two Global Release Periods.
(a) The July window
(b) The November windowand then in the second part
(ii) Unless Council approves otherwise the Southern Hemisphere Release Period shall operate each year. It shall commence on the first weekend of August and continue for the next eight consecutive weekends.
(c) Rugby Championship Release Period
(ii) Unless Council approves otherwise the Rugby Championship Release Period shall operate each year for an eight week period. It shall ordinarily commence on or around the second weekend in August and shall conclude on or around the first weekend in October each yearSo you're spot on - they do have 6 weeks out of the 8 week period to take players.
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@KiwiMurph you know Foster won't do that. In fact, half the team will be on the plane home and he'll bring in Zahn Sullivan and 13 more wingers to cover the weak forward pack.
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Been thinking about this game a lot since it happened. It was great (my podcast should be up and running any day now and I assume will be popular with killer insights like that)
As for where it leaves the two sides, I think both take a lot from it. Ireland weren’t at their best but did enough to win, that breeds confidence which they, more than SA, needed. I think the line out is fixable, and think their forwards will benefit from the scrum match up.
South Africa were good, however without a goal kicker of note I can’t see how they win the whole thing. Pollard fit, in form is crucial to them IMO.
Overall, I think France, Ireland and SA are a country mile infront of the others. Ireland will struggle with how many big teams they have to play in a row, France have had a long break after their big game against NZ (the two run outs they’ve had since were more like training) and I think are my current favourites for the whole thing. Assuming Ireland get past Scotland, I think France will beat SA now.
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Farrell has been very clever in how he’s prepared the squad for the pressure of consecutive high calibre opponents. Before last summers tour to NZ it was he who requested the two midweek Māori games as a way to put more pressure on the players, and he then sent a very young development squad to South Africa mid season.
During the 6ns in the spring Ireland had to find ways to overcome major disruption during and between games. They lost two hookers during the Scottish game, and had Van der Flier throwing into the lineout for practically the whole second half and still pulled away from a good Scottish side, and were decimated by injuries for the Italy match.
Outside of having a far better squad of players the big difference in this side from previous Irish sides is their mental strength and their ability to adapt to adverse circumstances mid game. Winning 16 on the trot, and 28 from 30, takes huge confidence and resilience, something they demonstrated in spades at the weekend. None of this means they’ll win the RWC but it would indicate that you can’t count on Irelands previous flakiness when predicting how they will respond in future games in the tournament.
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SA should be top of the pool on 15 points by the time Ireland play Scotland. For Scotland to qualify they need to beat Romania with TBP and win against Ireland whilst preventing them gaining any bonus points. If they score 4 tries in the process, even better for them.
Farrell will have to use some of his wider squad as he'll need his A team for the QF if they qualify.
So most of Kilcoyne, Herring, O'Toole, McCarthy, Henderson, Baird, Conan, Casey, R Byrne, Earls, McCloskey, Henshaw, Lowe, O'Brien, will have their work cut out with possibly a bench of Loughman, Sheehan, Furlong, Ryan, O'Mahony, Murray, Crowley, Ringrose to steady the ship if required. -
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC Week 3: Springboks v Ireland:
SA should be top of the pool on 15 points by the time Ireland play Scotland.
How can SA top the pool, unless Ireland lose to Scotland without a bonus point? Cos if they both get 15, Ireland go through as the winner of the game between the twoAh I misunderstood, yes SA will be on 15, then Ireland will just need 1 point against Scotland to finish top of the pool
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With a two week break to the Scotland game I expect Farrell will go with a close to full strength team. I expect Conan to start, probably at 8 with Doris moving to 6, and POM getting a rest. Maybe Henderson for Ryan, Bealham for Furlong, and Sheehan getting a start. I think the backs will be full strength, with possibly Henshaw starting. Can’t see Farrell taking too many risks against the Scots.
