RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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@Jailbreak7 yeah we lacked urgency in the 2nd half too, all round uber-shite 40 mins of rugby from us.
Almost like we were happy with the 1st and then eased back in the 2nd, then the card, dumb subs, nek minut, game gone.
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The result was shit but performance was ok - not a disaster. The disaster is the continued focus on the short kicking game as a default option. When we held the ball and moved the French around we looked great.
Thougth the forwards went ok apart from de Groot giving 2 penalties away and a loose carry in that first 20 minutes or so. Not sure that first French penalty was clear - looked like he was on the body. Scott Barrett player of the day again.
Tactics with short contestable kicks means we are playing in our territory way too much. They need to address the balance - not sure BB can do that, so would like to see Jordan go to full back. That said when they popped the ball over the top they really created chances.
Early in the 2nd half we had 3 chances to clear via RM, BB, AS and no one executed. That was the game. Jordan was pushing the line with contestable kicks, discipline is about getting that right.
In the 2nd half I thought Telea had some space but didn’t seem to have or back his pace to clear out so cut back inside. Trouble with that option is that all your support players overrun you. So for all his obvious strengths I would like to see him take the outside break more often.
Assuming we can win all our remaining pool games, this is not a disaster but will the Coaches amend short kicking tactics ( drop BB ) or double down and hope the execution is better? The strike rate seems too low at the moment.
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For those who follow American football Mo'unga reminds a lot of a star dominant college QB who can't translate to the NFL.
His running game which dominates at the lower level simply doesn't transfer and the nuts and bolts of the position (passing for a QB, territory kicking and game driving for a 10) he just isn't strong enough in when he has to fall back on it at the higher level and gets exposed.
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@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@gt12 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I love(d) me some ALB, but 2 runs, 2 metres, 3 tackles, and 1 miss do not a good inside center make.
I said pregame that he's a busted flush. If JB isn't there we are fucked
A few short years ago him and Jack Goodhue looked a very decent midfield. Hasn’t quite remained that way unfortunately
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Jailbreak7 yeah we lacked urgency in the 2nd half too, all round uber-shite 40 mins of rugby from us.
Almost like we were happy with the 1st and then eased back in the 2nd, then the card, dumb subs, nek minut, game gone.
Scott McCleods half time interview said as much. They were going to run them off their feet. That should have been in the last 15 minutes. Not straight after half time. Just clear the line and play in their territory.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Shit way to start the weekend
That bad started last night for you with the Broncos win!
Was a disappointing loss, but with our high risk tactics, we have to be super accurate. Time to look ahead at the next match.
Yeah it did but I had little expectations for this current storm side, they are making up the numbers.
I guess I hadn’t given up with the abs though even though the warning signs were well and truly there
Of the teams I follow an Allblacks loss always hurts the most
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@kev said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
The result was shit but performance was ok - not a disaster. The disaster is the continued focus on the short kicking game as a default option. When we held the ball and moved the French around we looked great.
Thougth the forwards went ok apart from de Groot giving 2 penalties away and a loose carry in that first 20 minutes or so. Not sure that first French penalty was clear - looked like he was on the body. Scott Barrett player of the day again.
Tactics with short contestable kicks means we are playing in our territory way too much. They need to address the balance - not sure BB can do that, so would like to see Jordan go to full back. That said when they popped the ball over the top they really created chances.
Early in the 2nd half we had 3 chances to clear via RM, BB, AS and no one executed. That was the game. Jordan was pushing the line with contestable kicks, discipline is about getting that right.
In the 2nd half I thought Telea had some space but didn’t seem to have or back his pace to clear out so cut back inside. Trouble with that option is that all your support players overrun you. So for all his obvious strengths I would like to see him take the outside break more often.
Assuming we can win all our remaining pool games, this is not a disaster but will the Coaches amend short kicking tactics ( drop BB ) or double down and hope the execution is better? The strike rate seems too low at the moment.
I don't want to knock the guy because I thought he played well, but I noticed that too. I have been saying for a while that he appears to lack pace at test level. Those two examples you mentioned ended up putting us under pressure.
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@allblackfan2 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@MN5 not an excuse, a factor.
I think them just being, you know, a better team was a bigger factor personally
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@Crazy-Horse said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@kev said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
The result was shit but performance was ok - not a disaster. The disaster is the continued focus on the short kicking game as a default option. When we held the ball and moved the French around we looked great.
Thougth the forwards went ok apart from de Groot giving 2 penalties away and a loose carry in that first 20 minutes or so. Not sure that first French penalty was clear - looked like he was on the body. Scott Barrett player of the day again.
Tactics with short contestable kicks means we are playing in our territory way too much. They need to address the balance - not sure BB can do that, so would like to see Jordan go to full back. That said when they popped the ball over the top they really created chances.
Early in the 2nd half we had 3 chances to clear via RM, BB, AS and no one executed. That was the game. Jordan was pushing the line with contestable kicks, discipline is about getting that right.
In the 2nd half I thought Telea had some space but didn’t seem to have or back his pace to clear out so cut back inside. Trouble with that option is that all your support players overrun you. So for all his obvious strengths I would like to see him take the outside break more often.
Assuming we can win all our remaining pool games, this is not a disaster but will the Coaches amend short kicking tactics ( drop BB ) or double down and hope the execution is better? The strike rate seems too low at the moment.
I don't want to knock the guy because I thought he played well, but I noticed that too. I have been saying for a while that he appears to lack pace at test level. Those two examples you mentioned ended up putting us under pressure.
He was outnumbered in both cases. When in space Telea was great. Not express fast, but he has quick feet and a smart fend
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Anyway, I think the biggest thing we have to do, is workout what our best bench is. The best sides have great benches that bring plenty to it.
I think Sami T arguably deserves the start, so I'd go Taylor in 16. Though I don't think he is perfect, I think Williams could bring some impact. Him and Newell, so some good SR continuity. Scooter goes the 80 for me, so perhaps due to his injury issues, we use BBBR as a dynamite option for the last 20. Frizell starts 6, I think they have to call Blackadder in to the squad, or at the very least Finau. Those guys are impact options, they fill 20. Roigard in 21, ALB in 22, Fainga'anuku in 23.
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@Crazy-Horse said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@kev said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
The result was shit but performance was ok - not a disaster. The disaster is the continued focus on the short kicking game as a default option. When we held the ball and moved the French around we looked great.
Thougth the forwards went ok apart from de Groot giving 2 penalties away and a loose carry in that first 20 minutes or so. Not sure that first French penalty was clear - looked like he was on the body. Scott Barrett player of the day again.
Tactics with short contestable kicks means we are playing in our territory way too much. They need to address the balance - not sure BB can do that, so would like to see Jordan go to full back. That said when they popped the ball over the top they really created chances.
Early in the 2nd half we had 3 chances to clear via RM, BB, AS and no one executed. That was the game. Jordan was pushing the line with contestable kicks, discipline is about getting that right.
In the 2nd half I thought Telea had some space but didn’t seem to have or back his pace to clear out so cut back inside. Trouble with that option is that all your support players overrun you. So for all his obvious strengths I would like to see him take the outside break more often.
Assuming we can win all our remaining pool games, this is not a disaster but will the Coaches amend short kicking tactics ( drop BB ) or double down and hope the execution is better? The strike rate seems too low at the moment.
I don't want to knock the guy because I thought he played well, but I noticed that too. I have been saying for a while that he appears to lack pace at test level. Those two examples you mentioned ended up putting us under pressure.
I think more than pace he needs to kick ahead in those situations - territory is king - kick ahead and pressure. He also got caught in the Bok game when he should have exited with a kick (that time he attempted the kick but was too slow).
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@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Crazy-Horse said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@kev said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
The result was shit but performance was ok - not a disaster. The disaster is the continued focus on the short kicking game as a default option. When we held the ball and moved the French around we looked great.
Thougth the forwards went ok apart from de Groot giving 2 penalties away and a loose carry in that first 20 minutes or so. Not sure that first French penalty was clear - looked like he was on the body. Scott Barrett player of the day again.
Tactics with short contestable kicks means we are playing in our territory way too much. They need to address the balance - not sure BB can do that, so would like to see Jordan go to full back. That said when they popped the ball over the top they really created chances.
Early in the 2nd half we had 3 chances to clear via RM, BB, AS and no one executed. That was the game. Jordan was pushing the line with contestable kicks, discipline is about getting that right.
In the 2nd half I thought Telea had some space but didn’t seem to have or back his pace to clear out so cut back inside. Trouble with that option is that all your support players overrun you. So for all his obvious strengths I would like to see him take the outside break more often.
Assuming we can win all our remaining pool games, this is not a disaster but will the Coaches amend short kicking tactics ( drop BB ) or double down and hope the execution is better? The strike rate seems too low at the moment.
I don't want to knock the guy because I thought he played well, but I noticed that too. I have been saying for a while that he appears to lack pace at test level. Those two examples you mentioned ended up putting us under pressure.
He was outnumbered in both cases. When in space Telea was great. Not express fast, but he has quick feet and a smart fend
I guess what I would like to see when it is more open as it was a couple of times, is that he stretches the cover defence which can open up running lines for his support players.
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Carry metres by our forwards:
Ardie Savea 38
Dalton Papali'i 36
Scott Barrett 34daylight
Nepo Laulala 9
Samisoni Taukei'aho 7
Others..[edit] these stats were incomplete (they were from before the game was over) updated stats: https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/post/876761 [/edit]
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I have a similar feeling to 2019 but less hopeful. We have some decent players and showed in the first half that we can compete if the tactics are right. But we don't stick to our task and the kick game is a fatal flaw. We will be lucky to emerge from the QF at this rate
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
territory is king
this! Sadly something this team (coaches included) dont seem to recognise.
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@MN5 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Serious question.
At his absolute best what exactly does Tupou Vai’i bring to the team ?
Has won out through the halo effect, lack of other options, and his ability/other inability to stay fit.
I'm no great fan, but he isn't better than Patty Tuipulotu.
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@kev said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Crazy-Horse said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@kev said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
The result was shit but performance was ok - not a disaster. The disaster is the continued focus on the short kicking game as a default option. When we held the ball and moved the French around we looked great.
Thougth the forwards went ok apart from de Groot giving 2 penalties away and a loose carry in that first 20 minutes or so. Not sure that first French penalty was clear - looked like he was on the body. Scott Barrett player of the day again.
Tactics with short contestable kicks means we are playing in our territory way too much. They need to address the balance - not sure BB can do that, so would like to see Jordan go to full back. That said when they popped the ball over the top they really created chances.
Early in the 2nd half we had 3 chances to clear via RM, BB, AS and no one executed. That was the game. Jordan was pushing the line with contestable kicks, discipline is about getting that right.
In the 2nd half I thought Telea had some space but didn’t seem to have or back his pace to clear out so cut back inside. Trouble with that option is that all your support players overrun you. So for all his obvious strengths I would like to see him take the outside break more often.
Assuming we can win all our remaining pool games, this is not a disaster but will the Coaches amend short kicking tactics ( drop BB ) or double down and hope the execution is better? The strike rate seems too low at the moment.
I don't want to knock the guy because I thought he played well, but I noticed that too. I have been saying for a while that he appears to lack pace at test level. Those two examples you mentioned ended up putting us under pressure.
He was outnumbered in both cases. When in space Telea was great. Not express fast, but he has quick feet and a smart fend
I guess what I would like to see when it is more open as it was a couple of times, is that he stretches the cover defence which can open up running lines for his support players.
Yet no one read the play and working hard to get there and get over the ball.... its not rocket science
