NZR review
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@Winger said in NZR review:
And just for the (brain-dead) blue pill takers who can't, or refuse to, think for themselves. Not all experts are the same. So please don't give me shit like what about flying on planes. Or equally as bad but what about an MRI scan? Some experts are great. Some are bought and paid for, corrupt fools. But the brain-dead / innocent & child-like adults put both in the same category. And trust without thinking.
I guess the ones that are great are the ones you agree with?
And don't insult plumbers (on a previous post).
Literally no one did. Perhaps we've spotted the problem.
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@Winger said in NZR review:
@Dan54 said in NZR review:
but really what the hell do I or really any of us know to say it right or wrong.
My view is we have a brain for a reason. Why not use it? Then the best ideas will win. Not just the views, often with self-interest involved, with the most money or power.
THIS - I can agree with. Wholeheartedly.
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@Winger said in NZR review:
@Dan54 said in NZR review:
but really what the hell do I or really any of us know to say it right or wrong.
My view is we have a brain for a reason. Why not use it? Then the best ideas will win. Not just the views, often with self-interest involved, with the most money or power.
Oh precisely mate, I not saying we shouldn't think about it or express ideas, just saying I or most of us don't really know why decisions are or have to be made. And as you say we all have brain, and wasn't meaning I or any of us don't, just more thinking of complexities of running game etc behind scenes that affect decisions etc we probably don't have full grasp on.
Still enjoy seeing people's thoughts though.
And I really think the bit you took out of my post kind of proves point, in no way was it getting at people, but by taking part of a sentence it made it sound like something it wasn't. -
The big meeting is today.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350173165/nz-rugby-provinces-and-players-collision-course-over-reforms
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350174559/provincial-unions-reach-consensus-nzr-reform-plan
Change is one step closer for New Zealand Rugby after the 26 provincial unions “reached a consensus” on governance reforms that could shake up the organisation. -
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@Dan54 said in NZR review:
Aren't the Players assoc saying they will stop it or something? They want no changes at all to the recomendations, and the provinces still wanted same say. I think I read that, kind of see both sides of argument really.
I know that actually reading articles is against fernlore, but from article from @Duluth
The NZRPA is not a voting member of NZ Rugby and therefore cannot influence the vote, but tensions between the two entities will likely persist over the issue.
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Hmmmm...the PUs have plans of their own.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350202405/npc-unions-land-new-partner-move-away-nz-rugby
The 14 provincial rugby unions have landed global insurance company Gallagher, the sponsors of the English Premiership, as a partner in a new commercial strategy that will deliver a greater autonomy from New Zealand Rugby.
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If they aren't crowding out financing and the unions can become self-sustaining, great. Otherwise if they continue to be mendicants, change is inevitable.
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@antipodean Good on them.Take away provincial unions, club rugby and NZRFU have nothing. Not sure what NZRPA’s problem is? The austerity mantra of cutting everything and selling assets to the private sector for short term game is driven by flawed neoclassical economic theory. It starts at central government but is insidious pervading every aspect of our lives for the worse.
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@kev said in NZR review:
@antipodean Good on them.Take away provincial unions, club rugby and NZRFU have nothing. Not sure what NZRPA’s problem is? The austerity mantra of cutting everything and selling assets to the private sector for short term game is driven by flawed neoclassical economic theory. It starts at central government but is insidious pervading every aspect of our lives for the worse.
I'm not sold that continuing to spend money on something that loses money is good for long term security.
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@antipodean said in NZR review:
@kev said in NZR review:
@antipodean Good on them.Take away provincial unions, club rugby and NZRFU have nothing. Not sure what NZRPA’s problem is? The austerity mantra of cutting everything and selling assets to the private sector for short term game is driven by flawed neoclassical economic theory. It starts at central government but is insidious pervading every aspect of our lives for the worse.
I'm not sold that continuing to spend money on something that loses money is good for long term security.
It’s like running a business where someone else builds the roads and trains your people. Just artificial boundaries, externalising the “other” costs and telling yourself you make all the money.
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@kev said in NZR review:
@antipodean said in NZR review:
@kev said in NZR review:
@antipodean Good on them.Take away provincial unions, club rugby and NZRFU have nothing. Not sure what NZRPA’s problem is? The austerity mantra of cutting everything and selling assets to the private sector for short term game is driven by flawed neoclassical economic theory. It starts at central government but is insidious pervading every aspect of our lives for the worse.
I'm not sold that continuing to spend money on something that loses money is good for long term security.
It’s like running a business where someone else builds the roads and trains your people. Just artificial boundaries, externalising the “other” costs and telling yourself you make all the money.
But the NPC is no longer the provider. Schools -> Academy -> Super Rugby -> All Blacks is how it works now. The NPC is a relic of a bygone era and we need to recognise that and adapt accordingly.
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@antipodean partly true but not completely as provincial rugby provides a much broader base. But that in any case only deals with the elite level of the game. It says that provincial rugby and club rugby in the places where people live don’t matter? If that’s the case the All Blacks will no longer represent NZ they will just be another team that plays for money.
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Didnt the review conclude that the NZR board was not fit for purpose and needed change?
What have the board done to follow the recommendations?
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@antipodean said in NZR review:
@kev said in NZR review:
@antipodean said in NZR review:
@kev said in NZR review:
@antipodean Good on them.Take away provincial unions, club rugby and NZRFU have nothing. Not sure what NZRPA’s problem is? The austerity mantra of cutting everything and selling assets to the private sector for short term game is driven by flawed neoclassical economic theory. It starts at central government but is insidious pervading every aspect of our lives for the worse.
I'm not sold that continuing to spend money on something that loses money is good for long term security.
It’s like running a business where someone else builds the roads and trains your people. Just artificial boundaries, externalising the “other” costs and telling yourself you make all the money.
But the NPC is no longer the provider. Schools -> Academy -> Super Rugby -> All Blacks is how it works now. The NPC is a relic of a bygone era and we need to recognise that and adapt accordingly.
whilst that is the main pathway now the NPC does still play a part in the process, connecting to the provinces outside the main centres, running the club game which is a fanbase literally made up of people that love rugby so much they want to keep playing it. i think cutting it loose completely would be a mistake
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The PUs still play an important role in the rugby development system. While the young players might be in academies straight out of school, they play for their provincial U19s before graduating to the SR U20s and then the NPC teams. Without any provincial games (including age-group) or club games these young guys wouldn't be playing at all.
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@Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:
@antipodean said in NZR review:
@kev said in NZR review:
@antipodean said in NZR review:
@kev said in NZR review:
@antipodean Good on them.Take away provincial unions, club rugby and NZRFU have nothing. Not sure what NZRPA’s problem is? The austerity mantra of cutting everything and selling assets to the private sector for short term game is driven by flawed neoclassical economic theory. It starts at central government but is insidious pervading every aspect of our lives for the worse.
I'm not sold that continuing to spend money on something that loses money is good for long term security.
It’s like running a business where someone else builds the roads and trains your people. Just artificial boundaries, externalising the “other” costs and telling yourself you make all the money.
But the NPC is no longer the provider. Schools -> Academy -> Super Rugby -> All Blacks is how it works now. The NPC is a relic of a bygone era and we need to recognise that and adapt accordingly.
whilst that is the main pathway now the NPC does still play a part in the process, connecting to the provinces outside the main centres, running the club game which is a fanbase literally made up of people that love rugby so much they want to keep playing it. i think cutting it loose completely would be a mistake
That can happen in an entirely amateur competition. Like it used to be. There are people emotionally invested in the NPC because that's what they grew up with, but it's not the 1980s anymore.
