All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
-
Ouch that was a hiding! Our forwards were absolutely dominated (the first time sice Ryan has been there). I had feeling early part they were so worried about stopping maul, they forgot to compete. We had backfoot ball whole game, so backs were never going to do much. Was a mile away from the simple go forward stuff that has worked for us.
-
This results doesn't matter - it wouldn't if we'd won, I mean you aren't even going to face a side at the World Cup who makes seven forward changes. Likewise, the two yellows and a red dictated how we chased the game, with the knowledge there was no consequences of losing. We've seen the All Blacks play really bloody well this year, including bullying South Africa, so let's not overreact
BUT what was of major concern to me, was the way certain individuals, particularly the subs played. Coles was rubbish, Taukei'aho not much better IMO, but I at least felt he looked to get busy, and it was hard with the Boks having their tails up. Williams was destroyed though, Newell struggled, and both Lord and Vaa'i were terrible. I think I have said before, being down locks isn't that big a deal, because there is such a drop off from #3 to #4 that we will probably lose anyway. ALB was also crap.
Roigard was very good, as were Telea and Aaron Smith, so that is something to hang onto - I also felt the referee was particularly harsh on us, and on another day that game wouldn't have gone the way it went. Just how the cookie crumbled today.
-
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Worst performance of Foster's tenure? Worst of Ryan's.
I can't remember a worse forwards performance for years. Utter shite at the set-piece, handling and ball retention were even worse and the poor discipline was off the scale.
Was suggested in the nadir of 2022 that Foster wan't hard enough on his players. I hope he can be hard on his coaches as Ryan needs to get his act together after this performance.
-
Well done Boks, very tidy performance and played the ref well. Bodes well for the RWC.
For us, I don't think this game has as much bearing in the RWC as people are making out. Neither team kicked a single penalty the entire game, the tactics employed are not the same as a test match. On top of that, we played a game where both sides wanted to score tries with 14, sometimes 13, men for most of the game. SA are a RWC contender, you can't win with that many cards against the other top sides unless they have an absolute shocker.
We now have another good hit out against France and then three warm up games before the quarter final. We know we are good enough against anyone on our day, and we are unlikely to have another match where we get that many cards. I really think we are as good a chance as anyone, which is a change from previous years where we believed we had the superior team, but we can't expect to be top of the world forever.
-
Well done SA!, along w the loss we're gonna take alot from that game! Roigard our no.2, ALB is still trash,Newell is not good enough, Degroot is too slow around field and still unfit to be effective at scrum time, Telea's a definite starter
-
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
For us, I don't think this game has as much bearing in the RWC as people are making out. Neither team kicked a single penalty the entire game
well, we tried to, right out in front
-
Our weaknesses exposed:
- kicking game flawed, high risk
- high tempo game relies on winning contact
- Jordie Barrett still makes poor decisions
- reserve locks
Scott Barrett unlucky with both yellow cards. Got tackled into halfback. Clean out on ground was penalty.
-
@No-Quarter We actually did try and kick a penalty, but Mounga missed a sitter !
-
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Never seen an ABs team physically dominated like this. Men against boys.
Ive seen it before, many times. But the likes of DC, Cory Jane , Dagg et al, caught their kicks and got us back down the field.
Beaudy and Richie are not doing that for us.
We are under the pump in our own half for a disproportionate amount of time.
Fucking spot on. Never thought I would say this but BB past his sell buy as is ALB !!
-
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Tim Worst of Ryan’s. I’d say the Argentina game in Australia and the third game against Ireland were worse.
Bollocks. There were periods of those games where the forwards went OK. This was 80 minutes of poorly-prepped, poorly coached fermented crap.
-
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Some of the pre match talk coming out of the ab camp about wanting to make a statement is looking a bit comical now
We absolutely made a statement. Not the right type mind.
-
Sam Cane’s underwhelming captaincy is a massive concern. I don’t think he’s strong enough of a leader to take us to the World Cup.
-
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I don't know what was more painful. The AB performance, the ref, or the commentators I had to listen to.
Foster and Ryan have got a huge reality check.
I had the French commentators. “Humiliés” “détruits” “écrasés”.
-
@BerhamporeNinja said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Well done SA!, along w the loss we're gonna take alot from that game! Roigard our no.2, ALB is still trash,Newell is not good enough, Degroot is too slow around field and still unfit to be effective at scrum time, Telea's a definite starter
I thought Vaa'i went OK as well. Pretty shit performance but probably still better than the others
-
@BerhamporeNinja said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Well done SA!, along w the loss we're gonna take alot from that game! Roigard our no.2, ALB is still trash,Newell is not good enough, Degroot is too slow around field and still unfit to be effective at scrum time, Telea's a definite starter
I'm intrigued you watched the game, and one of the big things you took out of it was de Groot isn't the answer? The scrum largely held whilst he was on, but once he departed Williams got wrecked. He also carried much better than Williams.
-
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@BerhamporeNinja said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Well done SA!, along w the loss we're gonna take alot from that game! Roigard our no.2, ALB is still trash,Newell is not good enough, Degroot is too slow around field and still unfit to be effective at scrum time, Telea's a definite starter
I'm intrigued you watched the game, and one of the big things you took out of it was de Groot isn't the answer? The scrum largely held whilst he was on, but once he departed Williams got wrecked. He also carried much better than Williams.
De Groot fine. Williams fine. Locks?
-
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Ive seen it before, many times.
Really? When? Never to this degree imo.
South Africa regularly monstered us in that fashion. Especially in the ELV days.
But we would stay in the game. Get down their end. Kick our pens.
The amount of games we won by less than a score.
Wee can't do that if we are in our own 22 for the whole match.
-
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@BerhamporeNinja said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Well done SA!, along w the loss we're gonna take alot from that game! Roigard our no.2, ALB is still trash,Newell is not good enough, Degroot is too slow around field and still unfit to be effective at scrum time, Telea's a definite starter
I'm intrigued you watched the game, and one of the big things you took out of it was de Groot isn't the answer? The scrum largely held whilst he was on, but once he departed Williams got wrecked. He also carried much better than Williams.
De Groot fine. Williams fine. Locks?
Locks weren't good at all, and I think that should be taken into account when saying our scrum got destroyed. I wouldn't mark it against Williams, more so a praise of de Groot.
