All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Also because the best territory kicker in the squad is Roigard - our starting backline can't flip field position with distance exits
I'd add DMac to that. Even Jordie's kicks to touch were poor compared to LIbbok.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Two things I thought at the game
Can't blame AB backs at all, AB forwards were destroyed
Missing McCaw leadership. Roigard brought it funnily enough. Focused. Gave me heartAnd Carter’s sweeping left boot, and Nonu’s ball carrying, and Read’s running with reckless abandon, and Kaino’s breakdown work, and Owen Franks scrum and clean outs, and Bender’s jinky runs …
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Worried about the situation at 10.
I cannot visualise Mo'unga or Barrett schooling the French or Irish and after today the Boks.
I just can't see it.
Flat track fly halves.
I haven't seen a dragging a game by the scruff of the neck performance from ether of them in recent memory.
People definitely weren't saying this after we schooled the Boks at Mt Smart and Richie Mo scored 20+ points...
But do you get my point? Ive seen Carter turn the tide on his own when we are getting pumped (many times). Brisbane 2008 (I think it was Brisbane) was a god like performance for example in a defeat.
Carter could get us down their end, eek out kickable penalties due to field position and pressure.
Take it to the line and engage their backrow.
Sexton does that every game aged 37. Beaudy and Richie are hovering around behind pods of forwards.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Don’t ya love a Fern thread after an AB loss.
Time to unload on our preconditioned selection issues or talk about players “we missed” or about the mentality of certain players.
We got beaten. We gave away a shed load of penalties. We were camped in our 22 as a result. We made errors when we had some momentum. We didn’t get the result we wanted just before half time with that try. We had cards. Boks capitalised on us having to defend for long periods.
Very well said
So you guys think it's ok to be spanked by 28 points cos reasons? Fuck that tier 2 attitude, fuck that to death. There is always reasons it happens, doesn't make the performance excusable or anything but another strain on the abs legacy
Agree. That was a shit performance. Broadly our top team is good enough but against Boks we need better tactics.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Worried about the situation at 10.
I cannot visualise Mo'unga or Barrett schooling the French or Irish and after today the Boks.
I just can't see it.
Flat track fly halves.
I haven't seen a dragging a game by the scruff of the neck performance from ether of them in recent memory.
People definitely weren't saying this after we schooled the Boks at Mt Smart and Richie Mo scored 20+ points...
But do you get my point? Ive seen Carter turn the tide on his own when we are getting pumped (many times). Brisbane 2008 (I think it was Brisbane) was a god like performance for example in a defeat.
Carter could get us down their end, eek out kickable penalties due to field position and pressure.
Take it to the line and engage their backrow.
Sexton does that every game aged 37. Beaudy and Richie are hovering around behind pods of forwards.
I take your point, but I don't agree. With the way defences rush up now, it is pretty hard for a first five to turn the tide if his pack is beaten. The only moments to do that are when the long kicking battle occurs, and I'll agree, there are better boots going than BB and Mo'unga, though even still I think the difference you can make in those situations is negligible.
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@MiketheSnow I think they would be very unhappy with thier 1st 40 mins, but the weight of possession, territory and numerical advantage told in the end.
While not as doom and gloom for us as the score suggests, it's whether this team has the mental strength to get back up from it.
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@KiwiMurph yes but it didn't appear to matter how they adjusted he just pinged them. After the first line-out they looked good. By then it was 5 penalties and a YC was inevitable. Snowballed from there.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
But do you get my point? Ive seen Carter turn the tide on his own when we are getting pumped (many times). Brisbane 2008 (I think it was Brisbane) was a god like performance for example in a defeat.
I remember watching Carter from behind the posts in Sydney 2008 when we got pumped - that might have been it. The score was fairly close purely because Carter 's boot got us out of the shit time and time again.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Worried about the situation at 10.
I cannot visualise Mo'unga or Barrett schooling the French or Irish and after today the Boks.
I just can't see it.
Flat track fly halves.
I haven't seen a dragging a game by the scruff of the neck performance from ether of them in recent memory.
People definitely weren't saying this after we schooled the Boks at Mt Smart and Richie Mo scored 20+ points...
But do you get my point? Ive seen Carter turn the tide on his own when we are getting pumped (many times). Brisbane 2008 (I think it was Brisbane) was a god like performance for example in a defeat.
Carter could get us down their end, eek out kickable penalties due to field position and pressure.
Take it to the line and engage their backrow.
Sexton does that every game aged 37. Beaudy and Richie are hovering around behind pods of forwards.
DC and co were very good at (well everything) playing percentage footy was a given .... play in the right areas of the field
We didn't effectively exit once today- and its hard to recall them trying to exit properly more than 1 or 2 times... we put a lot of pressure on ourselves with creative "anti-exits" eg Bombs, and cross kicks, and compounded it further with poor handling and options. -
Lomax looks cooked.
Will Scooter get any weeks? That might mean he’ll miss the Taranaki games he was always going to play 😉
Does Sam Cane have a niggle?
Whitelock looked to be coasting most of the game. Not sure what’s up there.
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@African-Monkey we got smashed. By a record score. With our best side. Unable to change the way we play. We now have zero momentum going into the French test. We then get pumped again and have 3 pretty easy games then a banger again. SA can turn it on when needed. The ABs just proved again, in a one off game, they can't. By a long way.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Hammering
Boks barely got out of 3rd gear
We didn't get out of first, so not completely flattering.
Both SA’s choice
Not entirely. We chose to:
- Forget how to catch
- miss easy shots
- play dumb footy in our 22 (costing two tries)
- throw poorly to lineouts
- give away dumb penalties
and - play with, on average, a man down for the whole match.
Excuses? Maybe.
Remeber just over a month ago we made them look equally average.
Honestly, that first penalty not given and I don't see this happening.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Lomax looks cooked.
Upside is looked to be more an impact injury (So not an MCL/ACL etc.)
Downside is, even if it is a six weeker, that is him down for the WC.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Don’t ya love a Fern thread after an AB loss.
Time to unload on our preconditioned selection issues or talk about players “we missed” or about the mentality of certain players.
We got beaten. We gave away a shed load of penalties. We were camped in our 22 as a result. We made errors when we had some momentum. We didn’t get the result we wanted just before half time with that try. We had cards. Boks capitalised on us having to defend for long periods.
Very well said
So you guys think it's ok to be spanked by 28 points cos reasons? Fuck that tier 2 attitude, fuck that to death. There is always reasons it happens, doesn't make the performance excusable or anything but another strain on the abs legacy
Agree. That was a shit performance. Broadly our top team is good enough but against Boks we need better tactics.
We were lulled into false security by a game where we dominated up front Vs forwards that hadn't played together that year, allied to our crappy kicking game somehow getting 60-70% ball back, unlike the norm of 10%. You can't rely on that level of return but the abs tactics do.
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@taniwharugby hence my question pre pick off. Would an ABs loss affect the ABs more psychologically than a SA loss. I believe it will. SA can get up for one off games. I doubt we can. Not for 7 at least.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Lomax looks cooked.
Upside is looked to be more an impact injury (So not an MCL/ACL etc.)
Downside is, even if it is a six weeker, that is him down for the WC.
he looks like he will need a load of staples for a start. he was opened up.
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Each and every match I’m baffled that Telea and Jordan see so little of the ball
Aside from Roigard no one looked remotely like breaking the gain line and/or scoring a try this evening
