All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@His-Bobness I don’t think the ABs are a poor team now. I just think the strategy they have is wrong. It all starts with a high risk kicking game. A blindside bomb in their 22, cross kicks in our 22… the mindset is wrong for tight test matches.
Being beaten by a record 28 points is the definition NOT a tight test match
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@BerhamporeNinja said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@frugby lol our whole fwd pack got pumped! i thought Williams held is own whilst Newel was getting owned, and I still think Degroot is a liability on cover defence hes too slow to get across, missed some crucial tackles
Well let's play Williams instead and see how we get on. Exactly like 2019 when we dropped Franks in the favour of ball playing props (Laulala, the irony). It didn't work, test rugby is won by having props who carried hard, not dynamically, just going hard up the guts, and scrummaging well. Williams got schooled, which can probably be explained partially by the locks behind him. Newell was the one more or less holding.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Big problem for me is does Bozo of the Barretts have an appointment with the Beak and get a game off?
A red card - regardless of what it's for - always means an appointment with the juciary. But a red card for two yellows, especially if one or both are team yellows, often results in "time served". So no suspension. Fingers crossed that that happens this time, as well. Otherwise, it's one game max, unless they decide it was a real red card for some reason.
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Two things I thought at the game
Can't blame AB backs at all, AB forwards were destroyed
Missing McCaw leadership. Roigard brought it funnily enough. Focused. Gave me heart -
@ACT-Crusader not just the fern, the whole NZ every man and his opinion is a Steve Hansen its all good lol
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Aaron Smith was mixed. That pass to nobody on our line a big turning point.
Have to watch it again, but looked like the ball just slipped out his hands? Felt he tried to give us tempo, which he did well - his kicking wasn't great, I'll give you that.
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Ref was annoying me probably just cos we lost
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@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Don’t ya love a Fern thread after an AB loss.
Time to unload on our preconditioned selection issues or talk about players “we missed” or about the mentality of certain players.
We got beaten. We gave away a shed load of penalties. We were camped in our 22 as a result. We made errors when we had some momentum. We didn’t get the result we wanted just before half time with that try. We had cards. Boks capitalised on us having to defend for long periods.
Very well said
So you guys think it's ok to be spanked by 28 points cos reasons? Fuck that tier 2 attitude, fuck that to death. There is always reasons it happens, doesn't make the performance excusable or anything but another strain on the abs legacy
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Also because the best territory kicker in the squad is Roigard - our starting backline can't flip field position with distance exits
I'd add DMac to that. Even Jordie's kicks to touch were poor compared to LIbbok.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Two things I thought at the game
Can't blame AB backs at all, AB forwards were destroyed
Missing McCaw leadership. Roigard brought it funnily enough. Focused. Gave me heartAnd Carter’s sweeping left boot, and Nonu’s ball carrying, and Read’s running with reckless abandon, and Kaino’s breakdown work, and Owen Franks scrum and clean outs, and Bender’s jinky runs …
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Worried about the situation at 10.
I cannot visualise Mo'unga or Barrett schooling the French or Irish and after today the Boks.
I just can't see it.
Flat track fly halves.
I haven't seen a dragging a game by the scruff of the neck performance from ether of them in recent memory.
People definitely weren't saying this after we schooled the Boks at Mt Smart and Richie Mo scored 20+ points...
But do you get my point? Ive seen Carter turn the tide on his own when we are getting pumped (many times). Brisbane 2008 (I think it was Brisbane) was a god like performance for example in a defeat.
Carter could get us down their end, eek out kickable penalties due to field position and pressure.
Take it to the line and engage their backrow.
Sexton does that every game aged 37. Beaudy and Richie are hovering around behind pods of forwards.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Don’t ya love a Fern thread after an AB loss.
Time to unload on our preconditioned selection issues or talk about players “we missed” or about the mentality of certain players.
We got beaten. We gave away a shed load of penalties. We were camped in our 22 as a result. We made errors when we had some momentum. We didn’t get the result we wanted just before half time with that try. We had cards. Boks capitalised on us having to defend for long periods.
Very well said
So you guys think it's ok to be spanked by 28 points cos reasons? Fuck that tier 2 attitude, fuck that to death. There is always reasons it happens, doesn't make the performance excusable or anything but another strain on the abs legacy
Agree. That was a shit performance. Broadly our top team is good enough but against Boks we need better tactics.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Worried about the situation at 10.
I cannot visualise Mo'unga or Barrett schooling the French or Irish and after today the Boks.
I just can't see it.
Flat track fly halves.
I haven't seen a dragging a game by the scruff of the neck performance from ether of them in recent memory.
People definitely weren't saying this after we schooled the Boks at Mt Smart and Richie Mo scored 20+ points...
But do you get my point? Ive seen Carter turn the tide on his own when we are getting pumped (many times). Brisbane 2008 (I think it was Brisbane) was a god like performance for example in a defeat.
Carter could get us down their end, eek out kickable penalties due to field position and pressure.
Take it to the line and engage their backrow.
Sexton does that every game aged 37. Beaudy and Richie are hovering around behind pods of forwards.
I take your point, but I don't agree. With the way defences rush up now, it is pretty hard for a first five to turn the tide if his pack is beaten. The only moments to do that are when the long kicking battle occurs, and I'll agree, there are better boots going than BB and Mo'unga, though even still I think the difference you can make in those situations is negligible.
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@MiketheSnow I think they would be very unhappy with thier 1st 40 mins, but the weight of possession, territory and numerical advantage told in the end.
While not as doom and gloom for us as the score suggests, it's whether this team has the mental strength to get back up from it.
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@KiwiMurph yes but it didn't appear to matter how they adjusted he just pinged them. After the first line-out they looked good. By then it was 5 penalties and a YC was inevitable. Snowballed from there.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
But do you get my point? Ive seen Carter turn the tide on his own when we are getting pumped (many times). Brisbane 2008 (I think it was Brisbane) was a god like performance for example in a defeat.
I remember watching Carter from behind the posts in Sydney 2008 when we got pumped - that might have been it. The score was fairly close purely because Carter 's boot got us out of the shit time and time again.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Worried about the situation at 10.
I cannot visualise Mo'unga or Barrett schooling the French or Irish and after today the Boks.
I just can't see it.
Flat track fly halves.
I haven't seen a dragging a game by the scruff of the neck performance from ether of them in recent memory.
People definitely weren't saying this after we schooled the Boks at Mt Smart and Richie Mo scored 20+ points...
But do you get my point? Ive seen Carter turn the tide on his own when we are getting pumped (many times). Brisbane 2008 (I think it was Brisbane) was a god like performance for example in a defeat.
Carter could get us down their end, eek out kickable penalties due to field position and pressure.
Take it to the line and engage their backrow.
Sexton does that every game aged 37. Beaudy and Richie are hovering around behind pods of forwards.
DC and co were very good at (well everything) playing percentage footy was a given .... play in the right areas of the field
We didn't effectively exit once today- and its hard to recall them trying to exit properly more than 1 or 2 times... we put a lot of pressure on ourselves with creative "anti-exits" eg Bombs, and cross kicks, and compounded it further with poor handling and options.
