EPL 2023/2024
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@broughie said in EPL 2023/2024:
@African-Monkey I agree, but there has to be intent. He was playing the ball and what happened incidentally was not his fault. So if you head the ball and hit someone in the head on the follow through it's a red? Doesn't make sense.
Makes all sense. Intent has no bearing and has not for some time. He had no intent to injure, but he was reckless and clumsy. Just like rugby players showing poor technique, they don't mean to hurt the attacker, but they are getting YC and RCs for being clumsy and reckless
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Red was fine for me. Jotas first YC was harsh but the 2nd was a stonewall yellow. Goal should have stood wasn’t offside.
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stonewall red, you can't go over the top of a ball studs up into someone's shin. That's been a red card for about 20 years. Both yellows also completely fair, you can't trip someone chasing back however accidental you make it look.
As for the disallowed goal, it was shocking. I saw somewhere on social media that the mistake happened because the VAR official mistakenly thought the goal had been given and the cursory look was so clear cut that he said check over as it was clearly onside. It explains why the mistake was made but not why it wasn't corrected when he saw the ball being placed for a free kick.
The concept of VAR isn't the problem, its the lack of transparency, the lack of protocol on how its used and the fact football refs are so unwilling to admit mistakes or call out their colleagues when they do
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@bayimports said in EPL 2023/2024:
Tough week for Bournemouth fans. looked like we were starting to get used to the press and some players coming back and put in a woeful effort against Arsenal. To make it worse watching our Neto concede 4 and GON's Neto terrorise City made the loss even more bitter
Finally some easier games coming up, but really need some wins otherwise will be a tough season
That Wolves manager looks like he has a plan. Not really sure what Bournemouth are this season except looking like relegation contenders
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@KiwiPie Yeah GON is a good manager. I think our new owners have the best intentions and a high press looks good and works well when all on board. However half the team haven't worked out how to play it and we recruited some players who cant play it and others who are yet to still even get out of the injury ward. So to your point it looks rather confused.
Also our draw has not been great, but regardless the Arsenal match was a step backwards. There will be high expectations against Everton though and I am sure if we don't start getting them, then people will be under pressure
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PGMOL have released the audio from Diaz offside. As I said above, the VAR ref thought the goal had been awarded so just said check complete. Listening to the audio it’s revealing how bad the process is and how obviously liable to a fuck up.
PGMOL release VAR audio from Spurs v Liverpool
Process leading to incorrect offside decision against Luis Diaz not being overturned explained as well as PGMOL statement
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I listened to a podcast that compared the clear wording used by the TMO in rugby in the way that the ref asks "is there any reason not to award a try?" etc and whether something similar should be introduced for football. Comms not helped by the fact that multiple footballers are usually screaming into the ears of the ref.
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@Dodge said in EPL 2023/2024:
stonewall red, you can't go over the top of a ball studs up into someone's shin. That's been a red card for about 20 years. Both yellows also completely fair, you can't trip someone chasing back however accidental you make it look.
Welcome back Dodge. Looked like a red to me, tackler responsible for wear their studs end up and he was stretching and out of control. For Jota yellow 1, amusing to see the Liverpool rabid fans (not all are rabid) saying Udogie tripped over his own leg as if that is something that athletes do without a 3rd party involved.
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@KiwiPie yep, that difference was stark. But then there’s a lot more pressure to get on with the game in football circles I guess. Seemed like it was done in a hurry. Can imagine how sick the VAR guy felt when he realised what happened
Ps thanks for the welcome back!
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That var transcript is a tough read! Seems like he realised pretty much the moment he couldn't go back anymore.
Definitely feels like they need a clearer process like pretty much every other sport (rugby, league, cricket), where the var says 'original decision x, checking if that is correct'.
This is fifa though. I expect their solution will be two more officials with vague responsibilities but needing a weekly game cheque.
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@Rapido said in EPL 2023/2024:
The Spurs grey kit on the weekend was a crime.
Worse than ManU at The Dell in 96. As these had fades and some black. Literally playing in urban camouflage.
It's not even grey, it looks like a pink grey. Worst third strip we've had in years
Edit: it's actually beige I think. Ugh
Luckily Ange ball is more attractive and interesting than the kit
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I've finally had a chance to watch the Arsenal-Man City game. A very nervy start from Arsenal, and Raya in particular, but Arteta finally gets his first win over the Citizens. This was a very even game where both teams cancelled each other out. Martinelli's introduction at HT made a big difference. Haaland didn't even have a shot on goal.
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@Rapido said in EPL 2023/2024:
The Spurs grey kit on the weekend was a crime.
Worse than ManU at The Dell in 96. As these had fades and some black. Literally playing in urban camouflage.
My first thought was why are the Blacks Caps playing soccer? Beige IMO
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@Bovidae said in EPL 2023/2024:
I've finally had a chance to watch the Arsenal-Man City game. A very nervy start from Arsenal, and Raya in particular, but Arteta finally gets his first win over the Citizens. This was a very even game where both teams cancelled each other out. Martinelli's introduction at HT made a big difference. Haaland didn't even have a shot on goal.
Good summary, it was looking like a 0-0 for most of the game. Arsenal were determined not to allow City space so Rice was alongside Jorginho - and City did the same having Bernardo and Kovacic as pivots. Martinelli injected a lot of energy that was lacking and Arsenal were the dominant team for most of the 2nd half without looking like getting a goal. Big result for Arsenal given their lack of success against City in recent seasons - City came for a draw which they never do. Saka was a miss for Arsenal but really they need to give him for rest, the lad has been flogged for 2-3 seasons including by England. Rodri is the key to City's whole playing style. Whereas Rodri replaced Ferdandinho gradually, there doesn't seem to be a cover for Rodri given Phillips being not to Pep's taste.
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Fuck Bournemouth defence shocking, coach has not got it right, one of the goals conceded again ridiculously stupid.
Angry start to the weekend as 4 send off already (only one a straight red but still)
At least my FPL team surely on the up lol!
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Arsenal lucky to salvage a draw but if Arteta is consistent with his comments on wanting competition for all spots on the team he should have pulled Reya and Odegaard today. Odegaard goes missing when he does not have space or when we are not dominating. Rice should be captain.
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@broughie Enzo did a great job man marking him with Caicedo closing down the other options. The only one who looked likely in that midfield was Rice.
Sanchez can be blamed for Chelsea not winning that . Arsenal didn't look like getting anything out of that game up until that howler.
